[net.politics] Hunger and the Free Market

carnes@gargoyle.UUCP (Richard Carnes) (07/25/85)

In article <> josh@topaz.UUCP (J Storrs Hall) writes:

> Starvation in today's world occurs not quite
> but almost exclusively because of "democratic" collectivist intervention.

I'd like to see the arguments in support of this (to me) astonishing
claim.  For an alternative point of view to that presented in the
Rydenfelt book, you might want to read *Food First*, by F.M. Lappe
and J. Collins.  The authors argue that the cause of world hunger is
inequality in control over food-producing resources, because it leads
to the underuse and misuse of those resources.  Among the book's main
points:

I.  The cause of hunger is neither scarcity nor overpopulation.

II.  Rather, it is inequality in control over food-producing
     resources.	

  The colonial inheritance:

	1.  The colonizing powers viewed the agricultural systems of
	the subjugated lands as backward and primitive precisely
	because they did not produce a marketable surplus that
	would meet the need of the colonizers to extract wealth
	(e.g., the Sahel, India, West Africa).

	2.  In many cases the colonizers directly took over
	production, usurping the best lands (e.g., Kenya, Sri Lanka,
	Indonesia, Latin America).

	3.  In other cases the colonizers forced peasant producers
	to grow cash and export crops (e.g., the Sahel, Indonesia).

	4.  The colonizers needed an abundant supply of food-
	desperate laborers to work on their plantations.  Colonial
	administrations therefore devised a variety of tactics to
	undercut self-provisioning peasant agriculture and thus to
	make rural populations dependent on plantation wages.  Good
	lands were sometimes even usurped and held idle so that
	peasants could not use them.  (E.g., British Guiana,
	Indonesia.)

	5.  Colonialism destroyed the cultural patterns of production
	and exchange by which traditional societies previously met
	their needs.  Many precolonial social structures, while
	dominated by exploitative elites, had evolved a system of
	mutual obligations among the classes that helped to ensure
	at least a minimal diet for all (e.g., India, Bengal, Africa,
	Indonesia).

  Inequalities between nations today:

	1.  Corporations and financial institutions based in the
	industrial countries control the profits of Third World
	commodity exports (e.g., bananas, cocoa, palm oil).

	2.  These corporations control profits from subsidiaries in
	the underdeveloped nations.

	3.  The terms of trade favor the industrial nations.

	4.  Lack of control of external capital and the debt burden
	hurt the economies of underdeveloped countries.

  Inequalities within nations:

	1.  Inequality in control over land is extreme and increasing
	(as in the US (California)).

	2.  In addition to the best land, other resources needed to
	produce -- water, irrigation equipment, fertilizer,
	pesticides -- and the credit to secure these resources are
	increasingly controlled by the few.

	3.  Because of the inequalities in control over productive
	assets, income is also increasingly unequal, often masked by
	per capita measures of growth which hide inequalities (e.g.,
	Philippines, Bangladesh, Malaysia, Brazil).

  Inequalities based in sexism:

	1.  There is a direct impact of sexism on the nutrition of
	women.

	2.  There is an impact of discrimination against women on the 
	entire family's diet, particularly as economies change, i.e.,
	the commercialization of agriculture undercuts the traditional
	roles of women.

	-- Men are increasingly drawn into wage labor and women are
	   forced to supplement the male's wages by unpaid labor.

	-- Women are generally paid less for their labor.

	-- Plantation work requires that women travel long distances:
	   the frequent result is that their children's nutrition
	   suffers.  

	-- As machinery gets more complex its use is monopolized by
	   men, because the Western technical experts import their
	   notions of sex roles along with their machinery.

  Inequalities based on racism:

	1.  Slavery is the most extreme form of racism and has caused
	hunger directly and indirectly.

	2.  The next most extreme form is apartheid.

	3.  In the US and other countries racism serves to keep 
	nonwhites in low-paying jobs such as migrant field work.

  How inequality of control over productive resources results in the
  underuse and misuse of resources:

    1.  Underuse of resources

  	Large landholders, in control of most of the land, are less
	productive than the smallholders.

	When a few land holders control most of the productive assets,
	much wealth is drained out of agriculture into their private
	consumption or into urban or foreign investments.

	Smallholders are unable to produce to their potential.

	Competition for survival makes cooperation impossible (for
	improvements such as terracing, dams, and irrigation
	networks).

    2.  Misuse of resources (see next section)

III.  The solution is neither technology, agribusiness, nor official
      development assistance.

  Agribusiness exacerbates the conditions that cause hunger.

	1.  Agribusiness does not and cannot "grow food for the
	hungry" (e.g., US, Mexico, Philippines, Central America,
	Colombia, Senegal, Brazil, Iran).

	2.  Attempts by multinational food processing companies to
	expand their markets in Third World countries have not 
	benefitted the hungry, and, in many cases, have actually
	caused nutritional damage.

	3.  Agribusiness operations tend to perpetuate miserable
	working and living conditions for their workers.

	4.  They maintain and tend to exacerbate inequalities in
 	control over resources.

	5.  They tend to be unconcerned about preserving the 
	agricultural resources they exploit.

  Food aid, A.I.D., and the World Bank:

	1.  While food aid in certain emergencies and on a short-term
	basis can relieve suffering, the overriding impact of US
	food aid is to exacerbate the conditions that create hunger.

	2.  The US Agency for International Development stands in
	the way of real development.

	3.  Because is it a multilateral lending agency, the World
	Bank is often thought to be more impartial than an individual
	government.  But operating as a lending agency whose dominant
	voting members are the major Western powers, especially the
	US, the Bank's policies reflect the financial and political 
	orientation of its major contributors.

IV.  The solution lies in the transformation in control over the
     resources that produce food.

  Lessons from societies eliminating hunger.  The only countries
  effectively overcoming hunger, according to Lappe and Collins, are
  those incorporating aspects of "socialism," where people are trying
  to create an economic system in which all have the opportunity to
  participate in decisions about the use of resources and in which all
  are assured of food security.

	1.  The redistribution of control over food-producing
	resources can result in greater food production since (a)
	a more rational use of the land and resources is possible,
	and (b) human energies are released when people know their
	labor will benefit them.

	2.  Where the land is controlled by a few, the profit from
	production is drained out of agriculture.  Democratic
	participation in deciding how production will be used is the
	only insurance that it will benefit the producers.  The
	"structures" for democratic participation can be created,
	however, yet still be controlled by the old elite who remain
	able to drain wealth out of the peasant sector.

	3.  Land redistribution alone is not adequate.  Peasants must
	be a motive force behind the land reform, and must organize
	to protect their ongoing interests.  

	4.  Cooperative work can maximize use of resources.

	5.  Cooperative work cannot be forced but must move forward
	as more and more people come to realize its advantages.

	6.  Building a society where everyone has access to adequate
	food requires coordinated social planning.

	7.  Technology can further human only after the control over
	productive assets has been redistributed and when conscious,
	participatory planning directs its use.

In the view of Lappe and Collins, then, the chief cause of world
hunger lies in what I would term the class divisions between the
propertied and the nonpropertied.  A companion book, *Food First
Resource Guide*, by the staff of the Institute for Food and
Development Policy, provides extensive annotated documentation for
the arguments made in *Food First*.  

If you would like to do something constructive about hunger (domestic
and international), I suggest that you write for information and
publications to:

	Oxfam America
	P.O. Box 288
	Boston MA 02116

You read all the way down to here?  Golly.  Enjoy your dinner tonight.

Richard Carnes, ihnp4!gargoyle!carnes

nrh@inmet.UUCP (07/29/85)

Before anyone talks further about whether socialism is a good
basis for agriculture, I suggest you read some case histories.

I suggest two books:

"A Pattern for Failure" by Sven Rydenfelt (which JoSH has
suggested before) and
"Endless Enemies, The Making of an Unfriendly World" by Jonathan Kwitny

I haven't finished "Endless Enemies" yet, but so far it's a hell of a
read.  The author was a reporter for the Wall Street Journal.

I AM curious about carnes' outline -- what evidence do Lappe and
Collins give for the following?

>  Lessons from societies eliminating hunger.  The only countries
>  effectively overcoming hunger, according to Lappe and Collins, are
>  those incorporating aspects of "socialism," where people are trying
>  to create an economic system in which all have the opportunity to
>  participate in decisions about the use of resources and in which all
>  are assured of food security.

Which countries did they use as examples for THIS little gem of 
wisdom?  Over what time span?

berman@psuvax1.UUCP (Piotr Berman) (08/01/85)

> 
> Before anyone talks further about whether socialism is a good
> basis for agriculture, I suggest you read some case histories.
> 
> I suggest two books:
> 
> "A Pattern for Failure" by Sven Rydenfelt (which JoSH has
> suggested before) and
> "Endless Enemies, The Making of an Unfriendly World" by Jonathan Kwitny
> 
> I haven't finished "Endless Enemies" yet, but so far it's a hell of a
> read.  The author was a reporter for the Wall Street Journal.
> 
> I AM curious about carnes' outline -- what evidence do Lappe and
> Collins give for the following?
> 
> >  Lessons from societies eliminating hunger.  The only countries
> >  effectively overcoming hunger, according to Lappe and Collins, are
> >  those incorporating aspects of "socialism," where people are trying
> >  to create an economic system in which all have the opportunity to
> >  participate in decisions about the use of resources and in which all
> >  are assured of food security.
> 
> Which countries did they use as examples for THIS little gem of 
> wisdom?  Over what time span?

Peples Republic of China.  The only overpopulated country which tackled
food production, food disribution and population growth.  

What are the countries in which hunger was widespread, now is mostly
eliminated and which had (relatively) free market?

P. Berman

carnes@gargoyle.UUCP (Richard Carnes) (08/05/85)

nrh@inmet suggests

> "Endless Enemies, The Making of an Unfriendly World" by Jonathan Kwitny

I second Nat's recommendation.  Kwitny, BTW, points out that Cuba has
less poverty, illiteracy, bloodshed, and disease than almost anywhere
else in Latin America, and a standard of living roughly on a par with
Mexico's and Argentina's.  Now Nicaragua faces the same terrible
fate, from which the contras are endeavoring to save it.

A word about world hunger:  The world production of foodstuffs is,
right now, sufficient to provide every human being (as well as pets)
not merely with an adequate but even an abundant diet.  The
*potential* food production of the earth, with existing technologies
alone, is far greater.  Yet some 800 million people (most of whom grow
food for a living) are chronically hungry if not actually starving.
This is nothing new.  Throughout the Irish potato blights (which were
due to the lack of genetic diversity of the potatoes) of the 1840's,
Ireland produced enough food to keep its population stuffed and still
be a net food exporter, yet millions of Irish were hungry.  The
British govt. said laissez-faire, the magic of the marketplace will
provide the solution.  It did:  over a million Irish starved to
death, and the famine was over.  The Brits were not lacking in
compassion, however:  they sent troops to "preserve order."  (See
Cecil Woodham-Smith, *The Great Hunger:  Ireland 1845-49*.)

> I AM curious about carnes' outline -- what evidence do Lappe and
> Collins give for the following?
>
>>  Lessons from societies eliminating hunger.  The only countries
>>  effectively overcoming hunger, according to Lappe and Collins, are
>>  those incorporating aspects of "socialism," where people are trying
>>  to create an economic system in which all have the opportunity to
>>  participate in decisions about the use of resources and in which all
>>  are assured of food security.
>
> Which countries did they use as examples for THIS little gem of 
> wisdom?  Over what time span?

The most important examples they discuss are China and Cuba.  China
suffered almost annual famines before the revolution; its population
has approximately doubled since then, yet hunger has been essentially
eliminated.  *Food First* also discusses Vietnam, Tanzania,
Mozambique, East Germany, and other countries.  I would add
Nicaragua, whose revolution has occurred since L&C wrote.  None of
these countries is held up as an ideal, and no one is claiming that
socialism (whatever that is) is some simple formula that
automatically reduces hunger wherever applied.  Rather, if one is led
to agree with the authors that the chief cause of world hunger is the
gross inequalities that exist in control over food-producing
resources, then the cure for world hunger is to redistribute that
control so that it is more equalized, and that is (part of) the
program of the "socialist" countries -- not that they are equally
successful in doing so.

As examples of the other kind, one might list the US, the
Philippines, Thailand, Bangladesh, South Africa, Zaire, Mexico, El
Salvador, Chile, Brazil, Venezuela, and many others.  Most Americans
think of Venezuela, if they think of it at all, as an oil-rich nation
located just off the coast of Aruba.  Yet despite one of the highest
per capita GNP's in the Third World, the majority of Venezuelans are
malnourished.

R. Carnes

nrh@inmet.UUCP (08/07/85)

>/* Written  8:25 pm  Aug  4, 1985 by gargoyle!carnes in inmet:net.politics */
>/* ---------- "Re: Hunger and the Free Market (soc" ---------- */
>nrh@inmet suggests
>
>> "Endless Enemies, The Making of an Unfriendly World" by Jonathan Kwitny
>
>I second Nat's recommendation.  Kwitny, BTW, points out that Cuba has
>less poverty, illiteracy, bloodshed, and disease than almost anywhere
>else in Latin America, and a standard of living roughly on a par with
>Mexico's and Argentina's.  Now Nicaragua faces the same terrible
>fate, from which the contras are endeavoring to save it.
>
>> I AM curious about carnes' outline -- what evidence do Lappe and
>> Collins give for the following?
>>
>>>  Lessons from societies eliminating hunger.  The only countries
>>>  effectively overcoming hunger, according to Lappe and Collins, are
>>>  those incorporating aspects of "socialism," where people are trying
>>>  to create an economic system in which all have the opportunity to
>>>  participate in decisions about the use of resources and in which all
>>>  are assured of food security.
>>
>> Which countries did they use as examples for THIS little gem of 
>> wisdom?  Over what time span?
>
>The most important examples they discuss are China and Cuba.  China
>suffered almost annual famines before the revolution; its population
>has approximately doubled since then, yet hunger has been essentially
>eliminated.  

Hmmm... The Kwitney book does indeed say that peasants say there'd been
no shortages of food since the 1960's.  In an earlier article, I excerpted
Rydenfelt's discussion of Chinese agriculture: in brief, Rydenfelt points
out that the worst of the shortages occurred during the period of greatest
"socialism" in the farming, and abated when the farms were once again
allowed to lapse into smaller units that (after producing quotas and 
selling them at fixed prices) were allowed to sell privately on 
essentially free markets).

As for the Irish Potato Famine (in which, you assert that over a
million Irish starved in a roughly five-year period), I'll match that
against the collectivization of Soviet Agriculture under Stalin over a
similar period, 1929-1933 during which FIVE million Russians starved
[Rydenfelt, "A Pattern for Failure"].

There's something to be said for the notion that NO system we know of
can completely avoid famine, but certainly some systems can CAUSE famine.

carnes@gargoyle.UUCP (Richard Carnes) (08/09/85)

Oded Feingold writes:

>This message does not explain why 
>	>the majority of Venezuelans are ...
>							>malnourished.

True enough, nor did my article contain an explanation, but it is
explained in considerable detail in *Hunger in a Land of Plenty* by
George W. Schuyler, who is (or was) director of Ibero/American
Studies at SUNY/Stony Brook.  The principal reason for the widespread
hunger in Venezuela seems to be that our wonderful American system of
food production and distribution has taken hold there.  

Schuyler suggests that political democracy may be a luxury that
developing nations cannot afford.  He writes:

	The interplay between Venezuela's democracy and its economic
	system thus illustrates one of Prof. [Charles] Lindblom's
	conclusions -- that market systems have dual structures of
	authority.  One is the Venezuelan goverment, subjected to
	passive control by a media-manipulated electorate every five
	years.  The other is the business system whose influence and
	authority rivals that of the government and whose values
	permeate Venezuela's political leadership.

In all existing democracies, large private corporations more or less
severely limit the exercise of democracy.  As Lindblom puts it, "The
large private corporation fits oddly into democratic theory.  Indeed,
it does not fit."

Richard Carnes, ihnp4!gargoyle!carnes