[net.politics] Hiroshima, Beiruit, Atomic Bombs and Politics

todd@SCIRTP.UUCP (Todd Jones) (08/06/85)

> 
> *** A bomb is not a military weapon.  Rather, it is a political weapon. ***
> 

By this I assume you mean an A-bomb. I think the A-bomb is presently,
and will henceforth be, a political weapon, but I'm not sure I agree
that it was in 1945. I tend to agree with the neo-fascists that the US
bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki in order to end the war as soon as 
possible, although it was probably used to scare the Russians as well.
I believe the argument that the bombs took less lives than the
continuation of the war without nukes. However, I feel it would
have been every bit as impressive to detonate a nuke offshore, but
clearly within eyeshot of millions of Japanese. Many can argue that 
Japan would be undeterred unless faced with horrendous civilian
casualties, but a nuclear fireworks exhibition would not have
ruled out more drastic uses of nukes.

Now that most citizens of the world are aware (dimly) of
the destructive power of nuclear weapons, we can dismantle
them, right guys? Guys, I said, "right!" Are you with me guys?

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joel@peora.UUCP (Joel Upchurch) (08/12/85)

>I believe the argument  that  the  bombs  took  less  lives  than  the
>continuation  of the war without nukes.  However, I feel it would have
>been every bit as impressive to detonate a nuke offshore, but  clearly
>within  eyeshot  of  millions  of Japanese.  Many can argue that Japan
>would be undeterred unless faced with horrendous civilian  casualties,
>but  a  nuclear  fireworks  exhibition  would  not have ruled out more
>drastic uses of nukes.
>
>C  [ O-O ]       Todd Jones

        I think the fact that it took TWO bombs  to  get  a  surrender
        from   the   Japanese,  and  even  then  it  took  the  direct
        intervention  of  the  Emperor,   argues   strongly   that   a
        demonstration  would not have been effective.  One should also
        keep in mind that at the time those two bombs were our  entire
        nuclear arsenal.  If those bombs didn't produce a surrender it
        might have been quite a while before more could have produced.
        One should keep in mind that the Japanese military mindset, at
        the time, considered surrender a disgrace far worse than  mere
        death.