mahoney@bach.DEC (Be verwy verwy quiet I am hunting wabbits) (09/20/85)
I am not going to repost Mr Black's messages since anyone who has been on the
net for any length of time (mine is kind of short) know what they sound like.
His postings really don't change much so it would be a waste of time to do so.
Mr Black (et al his supporters) I do not wish to take away your right to
your views or your right to express your views. That is a constitionally
guareented right and one that you should have full privilage to. I only ask
some consideration for other people when you express such view as the Holocaust
never happened. Sometimes when I read your postings I am not sure if you are
being serious and other times I fear you are. The reason I ask you for
consideration is that people who lived through the Holocaust may be on the net.
The horror and nightmare that they survived is beyond the ken or understanding
of anyone who didn't live through it. But your reply is that it never happened
so it doesn't matter there is noone to offend. Are you positive Mr Black that
it never happened if you are I would like your proof outside of a few numbers
from a book. There are hundereds or thousands of photos of what happened and
many people who lived through or participated in it who say it happened. I
realize that you say they all lied or were drugged or whatever consparicy
theory you wish to propose but just throwing it out like that is not fair at
all. So out of respect for those people I ask you to restrain yourself.
Remeber with great rights also comes great responsibility. No other person
has the right to take these freedoms from you but you do have the responsibility
to not abuse them.
I agree with you that it seems that this issue seems to get dragged up alot
to the detrimment possible of people of German descent but the Holocaust can
never be forgotten it must be dragged up so people don't forget about it. That
is the only way to insure that it never happens again.
You also have stated that the Isreal state has no right to exist that they
stole the Land form the Palastinines well how did the US get its land. First
it was solen form a group that had been here for thousnads of years the Indians.
Then the US stole most of the West from Mexico and they also trook over the
Independent Nation of Hawaii (for National Security). Now outside of the UN
accepting the fact of what Isreal did, Mr Black what is the difference? If
you say time well does that mean in 150 years that Isreal will have the right
to exist? I don not know if what happened is right or wrong but it has happened
Isreal exists and has the right to exist. They built a nation out of a desert
and have the right to keep it. The UN only recognized a fait accompli.
Mr Black I do find myself agreeing with you sometimes (not often though) such
as with the JDL any organiztion that advocates or doesn't denounce the use of
violence in its name is a terrorist organization. If what you have quoted is
correct then the JDL is a terrorist organiztion. I also consider the IRA and
The Orangemen of Ulster terrrist organiztion violence is not an acceptable
means to achieving and end.
Mr Black I say this right now if you do away with the public education system
within 50 years you will do away with Democracy in the US. The only way to
insure that Democracy remain is to have an educated populace and they only way
to do that is to have compulsary public education.
The rest of this note goes to Mr Fiengold. Please refrain from inane
accusations against Mr Black. I am sure he is a loyal (albeit a little screwed
up) American. He I am sure ( though I do not know him) is not a communist.
You sir sound like a parniod Joe McCarthy one of him was bad enough we do not
need another McCarthy ERA. If you disagree with Mr Black then do so do not bring
the attacks to such a personal and dispicable level. These attacks take away
from anyone being able to take any of your arguments seriously and come close
if not become slander and libel. I feel that we are suppose to have intelligent
discussions these attacks do not measure up to that. The are down right mean
and of no real merit to anyone. Freedom of speech does give the right to
express are feelings but not at the cost of slandering another person I ask
you as I have asked Mr Black be considerate of others before spewing forth.
FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS A RESPONSIBILITY, which many have forgotten. I ask write
your letters and wait before sending them forth and think about what you are
truely saying see if it has any real merit of discussion. It might take a
little longer but it will give you and Mr Black more crediblity when you
discuss matters. If you feel what Mr Black says is of no matter and
inconcievably wrong state so and forget about it. As it seems neither of you
will agree on anything and you will just throw slurs at each other for the
rest of your times on the net. Mr Fiengold I also bring up one mote point all
that GMT stands for is Greenwich Standard Time. It means that is what is clock
goes on no real consparicy there.
I am not asking for either of you to stop arguing or bringing up points on
the net that is what this forum obviously is about. All I bring forth is think
before you act, so others may start taking you arguments a little more
seriously. Both of you are obviously intelligent men why don't you start acting
like it. (Slight slur which I semi-apologize for).
Brian Mahoney
"The East is East and the West is West
and I am somewhere in the middle"jho@ihu1m.UUCP (Yosi Hoshen) (09/22/85)
> The rest of this note goes to Mr Fiengold. Please refrain from inane >accusations against Mr Black. I am sure he is a loyal (albeit a little screwed >up) American. He I am sure ( though I do not know him) is not a communist. I don't know whether Mr. is a communist or not, but some of his postings sound very much like the communist line presented in Pravda or Izvestia. I am specifically referring to Black's anti-Israel propaganda. Just listen to Radio Moscow or the Soviet propaganda organ "Peace and Progress" on short waves radio and you will understand what I am saying. Israel has been an obstacle for Soviet expansionism in the Middle east. Most of the time the friends of the Russian around the world seem to have the upper hand (Remember South East Asia, Africa and Central America). In the Middle East the Soviets have been militarily humiliated many times. Wouldn't they like to see a diminished support for Israel in the US, so that their job in the Middle east will be easier? All of this does not prove that Black is a KGB agent, but does make one wonder. -- Yosi Hoshen, AT&T Bell Laboratories Naperville, Illinois, Mail: ihnp4!ihu1m!jho