black@pundit.DEC (America first, without apologies.) (10/03/85)
Subject: How a competent KGB operative does his job Summary: Long and boring - ignore this article >In article <767@mit-vax.UUCP> oaf@mit-vax.UUCP (Oded Feingold) writes: >>> It is unclear whether Mr. Black is more dangerous in public or >>>private. Those wishing his "silence" would be well advised to adopt the >>>methods he himself espouses. Those require courage and dedication not >>>evident in the silly postings we have seen recently. Silly, OAF? Come, now. Be serious. If they were silly, why do you so vehemently oppose me? Why do you not offer legitimate refutation, instead of "Ad Hominems?" Is it because there are no legitimate refutations to be offered? >>> >>> I have no doubt he knows whereof he speaks. Details to follow. > >Details follow. I am writing of the methods Mr. Black espouses. >Consider the following sequence of postings: > >> 08/15/85 19:18:11 GMT >> As far as not convincing men of influence, sorry Chief, >> you're too late. The cat's out of the proverbial bag. >> Remember what happened to Congressman Larry McDonald? And >> WHY? [Donald Black] McDonald is not the only one that knows what's happening in this country. > ------------------------------ > Well, the claim was that the USSR shot down KAL 007 in order to kill >Larry McDonald, D-Georgia, and president of the John Birch Society. The >society, if I recall correctly, swore to avenge itself. But all the >comedians were poking jokes that SAMANTHA SMITH should have been on that >plane, or good thing she wasn't, or whatever. Even the most >conservative columnists noted that "apologists for the Soviet position >are lucky that Samantha Smith was not on the plane." > >App 1 week later than: 08/10/85 12:41:11 > hence approximately 08/17/85 Be specific, Oaf. Surely a person as articially intelligent as your- self should be able to tell time with some degree of accuracy. >> What's really dangerous is that there's of couple of million >> people just like me, doing the same thing, only many of them >> are far more professional and far more dedicated. How many Viet Nam veterans do you know? My experiences and military skills are nothing compared to somebody who was a Green Beanie, for example. >> >> Sure I draw lightening. I would be more dangerous if I sat >> back and said nothing. Right now you know where I stand. >> If I were silent, you wouldn't know what anybody was up to. Be grateful. The more I say, the less I have time to do. Besides, while all the attention is drawn to myself, somebody else is doing the "dirty work." > ------------------------------ > When westerners tell secrets, they hide behind thick walls and >locked doors. When Japanese tell secrets, they open the doors and >windows of their paper houses - they can see who approaches to listen >in, and whoever observes them "knows" they can't be saying things he >shouldn't hear. I don't doubt Donald Black would feel safe committing >an outrage while publicly proclaiming the virtues of doing so. What a >fine alibi, being "too obvious." Yup. Worked well for Hitler, didn't it? Didn't he say exactly what he was going to do? It was so ridiculous, nobody believed him. > By the way, claims that others are far more professional and >dedicated than himself, I take with a certain grain of salt. See my previous comments about Green Beanies. Also by the way, you all might ask your respective Congressmen if they know of a group called the Committee of the States. >> Date: Monday, 19 Aug 1985 05:34:52-PDT >> I don't really intend to convince anybody of who I am, >> WHERE I'VE BEEN, or my religious/political beliefs. To each >> his own. My past speaks for itself. > ------------------------------ > Indeed, Mr. Black. You claim to be from Cow Hampshire, but your >postings show GMT, PDT and of course EDT datelines. Tracking where >you've been might be an interesting task. It's relatively easy to change the Date/Time group on an E-mail message. It's also relatively easy to change the To/From line. Go ahead and track me, Oaf. Mail messages leave a trail through the systems. >> 08/22/85 06:06:45-PDT >> Have a good week. I'm on vacation until after Labor Day, >> and I've temporarily de-subscribed from the net because I >> don't have the disk space to store the net postings. > ------------------------------ > Three or four days later, poor Samantha Smith was killed on that >little commuter plane. Don Black is conveniently "on vacation," off the >net, having recently fulminated about Larry McDonald, for no apparent >proximate reason. > Coincident? PURELY coincidental, Oaf. Since the report of the DoT investigation is a public document, I'm sure anybody with any amount of intelligence should be able to see how stupid your allegations are. > Consider the context: By itselt, the death of the young woman who >wrote a peace message to Andropov, received a favorable reply, and was >lionized on a sponsored tour of the USSR in 1972, makes little sense and >deserves scant attention. Samantha was a gleam in her father's eye in 1972, Oaf. Let's try 1982 for a little accuracy, something which you are not noted for. Her little jaunt was quite the propoganda coup, wasn't it? Mighty generous of Uncle Yuri, say what? > But what else is going on in the world? The Geneva disarmament >talks are due to begin soon, and Gorbachev is about to set out the >agenda (and initial bargaining positions) for his upcoming summit with >Reagan. Among other things, he would like to portray himself as the man >of peace, Reagan as the man of war. What better publicity coup than >1 Samantha Smith dies, >2 Pravda runs glowing eulogies >3 of the "Little girl with the big heart," >4 and Gorbachev personally sends a letter of condolence. >5 While Reagan threatens Nicaragua >6 and prepares for an ASAT test. >7 Now who looks good? > Working vacation? > > What better time for your opportune absence, Comrade Black? What >better use for Samantha Smith, that her death serve your masters in the >Kremlin as much as her life? Someone still seems to have what it takes >- we haven't yet found out what got the port engine. [Bomb? Strela? >A sawn-through component? What else are you good at?] What else am I good in, Oaf? Small arms, air assault, demolitions, communications, cryptogaphy, sniper tactics, armor, crew-serviced weapons, clandestine photography, meteorolgy, propoganda, etc. You know, all the good stuff an operative should know. (Yes, including ComBloc weaponry.) Besides, why waste such an effort on such a small target? It would make more sense to me to go for bigger stakes. Now, what would it take to down an airliner? Give me an M-21 at a kilometer, with less than 10 rounds. While we're on the subject, aviators use "left" and "right" to avoid confusion. The engines are numbered from the far left to the far right. (You see, I had this model airplane kit from Revell, and a big hatpin, and.... Reminds me of the day back in '56 that I sank my toy sailboat in the bathtub. The next morning, the Doria foundered off Nantucket. :-) ) > I can't say we weren't warned: Remember the closing paragraph of >Don Black's memorial day posting. > ------------------------------ >> [Date: 05/31/85] >> Those of us who survived the Viet Nam era have learned the >> lessons of warmaking all too well, lessons we will not >> easily forget. We will be more than happy to use our skills >> one more time to keep our Nation and People free. > ------------------------------ > Pardon me while I wonder which Nation, which People, how to define >"free." Well, obviously, Oaf, your definition of freedom and my definition are two different things. I don't believe you know what freedom is. > Just for confirmation, and in anticipation of violent acts >paralleling violent words, I sent e-mail asking if the man was serious. >The reply? > ------------------------------ >> 06/11/85 04:36:23-PDT >> Surely "Comrade" Black jests not. >> Just wait until the manure strikes the rotating ventilator. > ------------------------------ > Well, I can't say I was disappointed. There's a time and a place for everything, Oaf. Oh, by the way, the original query (without any identifying signature) said simply "Surely Comrade Black is jesting?" The price of Liberty is eternal vigilance. --Don Black "...dec-vax!decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-pundit!black" VAXmail: PUNDIT::BLACK ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "...That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness." --Unamimously adopted in Congress, 4 July 1776 ================================================================================ Posted: Wed 2-Oct-1985 14:31 To: ROLL::RHEA::DECWRL::"net.politics"