black@pundit.DEC (DON BLACK DTN 261-2739 MS: NIO/N13 LOC: POLE C6) (09/19/85)
Some of you more recent readers of the various nets may be wondering
why Oded Feingold et alia are all over my case. It's obvious from some of
my submissions that I have no use for the Israeli UN Protectorate, and
that I have all but declared war on the ADL/JDL and their minions. It
should also be obvious that there is bad blood between me and the
International One-World-Government Communist conspiracy. And I also
believe in America First--Without Apology. These four things are usually
enough to send 5,781,000 "Americans" into catatonic fits. (I shouldn't
generalize like that. There are exceptions.)
The underlieing reason why Oded et alia want my head is because of my
religious beliefs. I happen to believe in Christian Identity. Pure and
simple.
Understand that there is no way that Judaism can tolerate Identity. The
two cannot coexist, nor can Identity be allowed to exist at all. Identity
says that Christians are God's Chosen People of the Old Testament, the
direct descendants of the Old Testament Israelites. Identity believes that
the covenants given to the Scriptural Israelites by God are still in full
force and effect, and that we are bound to obey them. We also believe that
the United States and Canada are the Promised Land of prophesy.
Judaism, on the other hand, believes that the Jews are the descendants
of the Israelites, the keepers of the Law and covenants, the Chosen People,
etc., and that the Israeli UN Protectorate is the Promised land. Now do you
see the source of the friction?
So how widespread is this concept? The Mormons and the Worldwide Church
of God are both considered Identity religions. And they are just the
beginning. Most of us belong to mainstream denominations, such as Roman
Catholic, Baptist, Lutheran, etc. We just go to church on Sunday and
blend in with the rest of the Alka-seltzer Christians (you know---they
go to church and fizz for an hour. Then they forget what they heard for
another week). There are a few off-the-wall extremists, who are shunned
by us moderates.
Now, some of you may say that this concept is neo-Nazi, racist, anti-
semetic, etc. ad nauseam. Well, let's debunk that rumor. A Nazi is first
and formost a Socialist, more of a Communist than anything else. (Notice
that all my detractors had to give up calling me a Nazi. They knew that
they were so full of s___ that their eyes were brown.) The term "anti-
semite" is a term the Jews love to use. Most people do not understand
that the Jews are not the only Semite people on the planet. Most of the
others are ARABS. (Try telling an Arab that he's an antisemite.) Ahhh,
so Identity MUST be racist. It's the only thing left. Well, yeah, OK.
Maybe. Tell me, if Christians claiming to be the Chosen People are
racists, then howcome Jews who make the same claim are not? Howcome
only one little group of 13.5 million are authorized the claim, and
groups of a billion Christians and a billion Moslems are not allowed
to dispute it?
Is White Christianity the "master race?" Hell, no! The other peoples
of the Earth go back millions of years before the creation of Adam. They
were here first, and they were given their own lands. It is not up to
Israel or Esau to take those lands. (Isreal and Esau, as used here, are
the two sons of Isaac and their descendants.) Besides, Christ tells us
that there is salvation for all flesh that believes in Him. So who are
we to say that one race is better than another?
Identity is basically a study of anthropology and geneology. We know
from secular history that the Israelites departed Palestine and fled into
the Caucasus Mountains (hence the term "Caucasian" to describe a person who
is of the "White" race). From there, they scattered throughout Europe.
Various historical evidence, including ancient legends, trace the Israelites
into the British Isles ("Br'th" and "Ish"---"Men of the Covenant") and
into Ireland, among other places. A group of them ended up in "Dansmark."
The most obvious marks of the true Israelites is that they would be completely
blind as to who they were, that they would speak with stammering tongues
(the most difficult language on Earth is English), and that they would be
called by a different name. All other scriptural prophesy will apply
only to the true Israel.
Now, tell me, how can the Jews claim to have forgotten that they
were Israelites? Have the Jews had their name changed? Are the Jews as
numerous as the stars in the sky? No, my dear people, the Jews have
very little claim to Chosen status.
Of course, it's acceptable for every other People on this Earth to be
able to trace their roots and history back 5,000 years. But it is never
ever acceptable for a Caucasian to do the same thing.
Somebody on the net tried to start a discussion recently about "what if
the US really were a Christian Nation?" Originally, it was. Our laws
were based on the concepts of Mosaic law of the Old Testament. But then our
government was corrupted by the same Purveyors of Usury that were con-
demned by Christ as the Sons of Satan. So now we're right back where we
were just before the Captivity and banishment. We worship Baal and the
Golden Calf at the altars of Mystery Babylon the Great, according to the
Traditions of the Elders. Boy, are we going to get our peepees whacked
this time!
So let Feingold and Rosen and Dimitrovsky and the rest call me all the
names they want. They have no other choice but to do so.
--Don Black
luner@uwai.UUCP (09/21/85)
Don Black writes: > [I] also believe that the United States and Canada are the Promised Land > of prophesy. I suppose Heston is going to part the Hudson next? [Double entendre almost unintentional.] Schenectady, here I come.
root@bu-cs.UUCP (Barry Shein) (09/22/85)
Phew, Don Black is a sick guy, he needs professional help. Those aren't opinions, those are screams of pain. -Barry Shein, Boston University
rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Rich Rosen) (09/23/85)
> Some of you more recent readers of the various nets may be wondering > why Oded Feingold et alia are all over my case. It's obvious from some of > my submissions that I have no use for the Israeli UN Protectorate, and > that I have all but declared war on the ADL/JDL and their minions. It > should also be obvious that there is bad blood between me and the > International One-World-Government Communist conspiracy. And I also > believe in America First--Without Apology. These four things are usually > enough to send 5,781,000 "Americans" into catatonic fits. (I shouldn't > generalize like that. There are exceptions.) [WHO DO YOU THINK??] Yes, we all met yesterday in Boston at the yearly convention of the CJFOTOW (Commie Jew Faggots Out to Take Over the World), and agreed on a plan of action. Yes, you are on our bad side and we are going to do horrible things to you involving bondage and torture because we know you're into those things. Just when you're getting excited about the fact that you now have "proof" that people are out to get you and cause you harm, just as your brain is about to explode into cerebral orgasm, we will stop. Now that would be real torture. But you can always write an article about it all in the Spotlight. After all, it's obvious from your excerpts that they'll print anything. Even the things you have to say. > The underlieing reason why Oded et alia want my head is because of my > religious beliefs. I happen to believe in Christian Identity. Pure and > simple. I may not find much worthwhile in religious beliefs in general. But it's ironic that even the real Christians out there have laid waste to any contention you make that your beliefs are based on Christianity. You have misquoted the Bible, changed the text around to support your erroneous contentions. (For those who missed them, Don claims that the Jews were not the chosen people of God, that Christian Americans were, that somehow all the descendants of some tribe or other (was it the descendants of Easu, or the Ten Lost Tribes, Don?---I know your story changes from week to week) became the American Christians of today. Isn't that amazing? The descendents of this "tribe" all split up and intermingled in the various European nations, and then ONLY the chosen ones were the ones who came to America to be God's chosen Aryan race! Makes sense, doesn't it? The fact that this makes sense to Don shows what a buffoon (or liar, or both) he really is. > Understand that there is no way that Judaism can tolerate Identity. The > two cannot coexist, nor can Identity be allowed to exist at all. Identity > says that Christians are God's Chosen People of the Old Testament, the > direct descendants of the Old Testament Israelites. Identity believes that > the covenants given to the Scriptural Israelites by God are still in full > force and effect, and that we are bound to obey them. We also believe that > the United States and Canada are the Promised Land of prophesy. Thanks for proving the point I made above about the ridiculousness of your theories right here in print for all to see. > Most of us belong to mainstream denominations, such as Roman > Catholic, Baptist, Lutheran, etc. We just go to church on Sunday and > blend in with the rest of the Alka-seltzer Christians (you know---they > go to church and fizz for an hour. Then they forget what they heard for > another week). There are a few off-the-wall extremists, who are shunned > by us moderates. Ah, satire. I knew you were Ken Arndt in disguise all along. Why is it that Ken Arndt is always so quiet when Black begins to speak up. Perhaps the DEC employee who uses the Arndt and Black "identities" (whoever it is) can't handle two ridiculous points of view at once. You gave yourself away with the "us moderates" bit. You've admitted in the past that your position is not moderate, so obviously your use of this term is simply to rouse anger among concerned people. Cute. (You can now respond by saying something equally cute about my mistaken notion that you are just a crank.) > Now, some of you may say that this concept is neo-Nazi, racist, anti- > semetic, etc. ad nauseam. Well, let's debunk that rumor. A Nazi is first > and formost a Socialist, more of a Communist than anything else. (Notice > that all my detractors had to give up calling me a Nazi. They knew that > they were so full of s___ that their eyes were brown.) The Nazis use the NAME "socialist" (just as Falwell uses the name "Moral"), but the Nazis were violently anti-communist and anti-socialist. You are a Nazi, or a geek pretending to be one. Simple as that. > The term "anti-semite" is a term the Jews love to use. Especially for people like you who make stupid statements about Jews rooted in ignorance. > Ahhh, so Identity MUST be racist. It's the only thing left. Well, yeah, > OK. Maybe. Tell me, if Christians claiming to be the Chosen People are > racists, then howcome Jews who make the same claim are not? Howcome > only one little group of 13.5 million are authorized the claim, and > groups of a billion Christians and a billion Moslems are not allowed > to dispute it? Last time I heard Jews were not arming to take over a country because they felt they were "chosen". You can continue to make the stupid excuse that you and your kind are arming to defend yourself against others. First, that you are arming and engaging in paramilitary training destroys any claim you have to being rooted in Christianity as Christians know it. Second, you might like to think that people are out to get you (it seems to be the only ego boost you get, believing that), but it is the rest of us who must defend ourselves against the repulsive likes of you. > Is White Christianity the "master race?" Hell, no! The other peoples > of the Earth go back millions of years before the creation of Adam. They > were here first, and they were given their own lands. It is not up to > Israel or Esau to take those lands. (Isreal and Esau, as used here, are > the two sons of Isaac and their descendants.) Besides, Christ tells us > that there is salvation for all flesh that believes in Him. So who are > we to say that one race is better than another? And yet, you've contradicted this many times in your own postings. The way you flip-flop so often tells me how full of shit you really are. > Various historical evidence, including ancient legends, trace the Israelites > into the British Isles ("Br'th" and "Ish"---"Men of the Covenant") Amazing that you have a knowledge of the language of the Jews: Hebrew. That the plural of "man" in Hebrew differs significantly from the word "ish" and that you impose Hebrew words onto Anglo-Saxon/English words (English being, of course, THE language of god) shows how stupid your ideas are. > The most obvious marks of the true Israelites is that they would be completely > blind as to who they were, that they would speak with stammering tongues > (the most difficult language on Earth is English), Judging from your understanding of it, I can see why you might think that. But that's obviously your subjective opinion which must be called a "fact" in order to reach your silly conclusion. > All other scriptural prophesy will apply only to the true Israel. As always, Black never has a Bible handy to show these references he dreams up. > Somebody on the net tried to start a discussion recently about "what if > the US really were a Christian Nation?" Originally, it was. Originally it was founded by Deists, and the laws were clearly designed to ensure freedom of religion and to ensure that there would never be a state religion. > So let Feingold and Rosen and Dimitrovsky and the rest call me all the > names they want. They have no other choice but to do so. We have lots of choices. We could ignore you, as many have suggested. If we are seeking truth, if we are out to preserve human freedom, we do have no choice but to show you and your opinions for what you and they are. Whether you are serious about this or just a sick crank in need of attention, in need of a belief that people are persecuting you because it would be the only attention you would get. -- "I was walking down the street. A man came up to me and asked me what was the capital of Bolivia. I hesitated. Three sailors jumped me. The next thing I knew I was making chicken salad." "I don't believe that for a minute. Everyone knows the capital of Bolivia is La Paz." Rich Rosen pyuxd!rlr
garys@bunker.UUCP (Gary M. Samuelson) (09/24/85)
> ... These four things are usually > enough to send 5,781,000 "Americans" into catatonic fits. (I shouldn't > generalize like that. There are exceptions.) Who are these 5,781,000 "Americans" ? > It's obvious from some of > my submissions that I have no use for the Israeli UN Protectorate, Most of us call it the nation of Israel. Israel wouldn't last long relying on the UN for protection. > The underlieing reason why Oded et alia want my head is because of my > religious beliefs. I happen to believe in Christian Identity. Pure and > simple. Odd, then, that your article was posted to net.politics, but not net.religion. > Understand that there is no way that Judaism can tolerate Identity. The > two cannot coexist, nor can Identity be allowed to exist at all. Identity > says that Christians are God's Chosen People of the Old Testament, the > direct descendants of the Old Testament Israelites. Suppose someone converts to Christianity from some other religion. Then suddenly, that person becomes a "direct descendant" of the OT Israelites, but his parents are not? > Identity believes that > the covenants given to the Scriptural Israelites by God are still in full > force and effect, and that we are bound to obey them. Then, I suppose, you eat only kosher food, make various kinds of sacrifices, such as burnt offerings, and so forth? > We also believe that > the United States and Canada are the Promised Land of prophesy. Based on what scriptures? > So how widespread is this concept? The Mormons and the Worldwide Church > of God are both considered Identity religions. Considered by whom? Do they call themselves that, or are you pinning a label on them they didn't agree to wear? And if it is true that they consider themselves Identity religions, that's about the only thing they have in common. > And they are just the > beginning. Most of us belong to mainstream denominations, such as Roman > Catholic, Baptist, Lutheran, etc. Numbers? > Now, some of you may say that this concept is neo-Nazi, racist, anti- > semetic, etc. ad nauseam. > [attempted refutation of the charges of neo-Nazism and anti-semitism.] > ...so Identity MUST be racist. It's the only thing left. No, racist is not "the only thing left" with which "Identity" can be charged. There's unbiblical. There's hateful. There's just plain wrong (as in, contrary to fact). And there's chauvinistic ("America First, Without Apology" -- in capital letters yet). > Is White Christianity the "master race?" "White Christianity" isn't even a meaningful term. Christianity is the name of a religion, not a race. Some Christians are Caucasian, but there's no such thing as "Caucasian Christianity." Some Christians are Americans, and some American Christians are Negros. All sorts of combinations exist. Some American Christians are even of Jewish ancestry -- that would seem to present a thorny problem to "Identity.") > The other peoples > of the Earth go back millions of years before the creation of Adam. My Bible says that Adam was the first man, Eve was the first woman, and that everybody else is descended from this couple. Who are these people who supposedly existed before Adam and Eve? > They were here first, and they were given their own lands. It is not > up to > Israel or Esau to take those lands. (Isreal and Esau, as > used here, are the two sons of Isaac and their descendants.) Which lands are you talking about? Palestine/Israel? I haven't heard that anyone other than the Israelis and the Arabs have even made, let alone substantiated, a claim to that area. If you mean U.S./Canada, then to be consistent you should call for the return of this continent to the various Amerind nations. > Besides, Christ tells us > that there is salvation for all flesh that believes in Him. Make up your mind; is Christianity for everyone who believes in Christ, or for those who are descended from the Old Testament Israelites? > Identity is basically a study of anthropology and geneology. We know > from secular history that the Israelites departed Palestine and fled into > the Caucasus Mountains (hence the term "Caucasian" to describe a person who > is of the "White" race). References? > The most obvious marks of the true Israelites is that they would be completely > blind as to who they were, Then you are obviously not one of the true Israelites, since you claim to know who you are. (And is this supposedly a Biblical prophecy?) I, on the other hand, am likely to be a true Israelite, since I don't think I am descended from the OT Israelites. > that they would speak with stammering tongues > (the most difficult language on Earth is English), Says who? For me, I think Chinese is more difficult -- I cannot tell the difference between words which differ only in pitch. But in any case, how can you measure the difficulty of a language? > and that they would be called by a different name. Again, if you claim that you are one of the true Israelites, then you don't fit this criterion, and therefore your claim disproves itself. > All other scriptural prophesy will apply only to the true Israel. Give some (one?) examples of scriptural prophecy which wasn't fulfilled by the end of the second century C.E. (Other than the end of the world, of course.) > Are the Jews as numerous as the stars in the sky? If you want to take such statements literally, no, but then, neither is any other people. > Somebody on the net tried to start a discussion recently about "what if > the US really were a Christian Nation?" Originally, it was. Our laws > were based on the concepts of Mosaic law of the Old Testament. *Some* of our laws resemble *some* of the laws in the Mosaic law. Others do not. For example, the law of Moses said that slaves were to be set free in the seventh year -- I don't recall hearing of any such law in the U.S. Also, all debts were to be forgiven in the seventh year, according to Moses. > So let Feingold and Rosen and Dimitrovsky and the rest call me all the > names they want. They have no other choice but to do so. I agree that name-calling accomplishes little. It never worked for me, :-) and I don't see it working for anyone else. For example, you probably aren't going to win much support among Christians by calling them "Alka-Seltzer." If, on the other hand, you would like to post the scriptures which you think support the concepts of "Identity," then I'm sure any number of people with a little knowledge of the Bible will be happy to refute you. Gary Samuelson
rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Rich Rosen) (09/25/85)
>> Understand that there is no way that Judaism can tolerate Identity. The >>two cannot coexist, nor can Identity be allowed to exist at all. Identity >>says that Christians are God's Chosen People of the Old Testament, the >>direct descendants of the Old Testament Israelites. [BLACK] > Suppose someone converts to Christianity from some other religion. > Then suddenly, that person becomes a "direct descendant" of the OT > Israelites, but his parents are not? [SAMUELSON] Bravo, Gary! (Never thought *I'd* be saying that, did you?) If you think about it, some ancestor of Don Black did just that, converted to Christianity, and thus magically became a "true Israelite", according to his thinking (if indeed that word can be used to describe what goes on in his head). >>And they are just the >>beginning. Most of us belong to mainstream denominations, such as Roman >>Catholic, Baptist, Lutheran, etc. > Numbers? Unfortunately, Gary, quite a few. It is for this reason that you see people like me out to show people like Black for what he is. You see, he has has "scriptures" just like you, and he claims them to be holy, pure, and correct, as you do yours. Just because he says so (apparently he really believes this, or else he is a lame New Hampshire joker), should we include his tenets and those of his colleagues as legal moral code even for non-believers? >>The most obvious marks of the true Israelites is that they would be completely >>blind as to who they were, > Then you are obviously not one of the true Israelites, since you claim > to know who you are. (And is this supposedly a Biblical prophecy?) > I, on the other hand, am likely to be a true Israelite, since I don't > think I am descended from the OT Israelites. The Lord works in mysterious ways... >>that they would speak with stammering tongues >>(the most difficult language on Earth is English), > Says who? For me, I think Chinese is more difficult -- I cannot > tell the difference between words which differ only in pitch. But > in any case, how can you measure the difficulty of a language? Using subjectivity, of course, you can claim anything, as Black has. >> So let Feingold and Rosen and Dimitrovsky and the rest call me all the >>names they want. They have no other choice but to do so. > I agree that name-calling accomplishes little. It never worked for > me, :-) and I don't see it working for anyone else. For example, you > probably aren't going to win much support among Christians by calling them > "Alka-Seltzer." If, on the other hand, you would like to post the > scriptures which you think support the concepts of "Identity," then > I'm sure any number of people with a little knowledge of the Bible > will be happy to refute you. My hope, Gary, is that witnessing someone like Don Black, who (whether or not he represents a real person who holds this nonsensical ideology) is typical of many people who have come to hold this belief and have spread it around like melted butter across a wide spectrum of susceptible people (they told midwestern farmers that it was the Jews who own the banks (of course) who were foreclosing on their mortgages, and they garnered significant support doing so), ... my hope is that witnessing someone like him gives you some idea why there is a need to fight autocratic religious impositional morality at all cost. If your beliefs can be deemed valid for a morality for my life, why not Don's? When it comes down to it, how do you prove YOURself (and your particular religious beliefs) "righter" than his? -- "to be nobody but yourself in a world which is doing its best night and day to make you like everybody else means to fight the hardest battle any human being can fight and never stop fighting." - e. e. cummings Rich Rosen ihnp4!pyuxd!rlr
rb@ccivax.UUCP (rex ballard) (09/26/85)
> The underlieing reason why Oded et alia want my head is because of my > religious beliefs. I happen to believe in Christian Identity. Pure and > simple. Although I agree with you on many points, your views are a little extreme. As you clearly point out, there is a very good chance that more of us are Jews than those who claim to be Jews. Perhaps you are descended from Isaac yourself. I believe there is room for SPIRITUAL PRINCIPLES in american life. Can you, or any christian you know boil the teachings of Christ down to one or two pages? This has been done by a few catholics who were looking for a way to expose alchoholics and drug addicts to christian principles while attempting to overcome some very strong resentments against the 'HYPE' christianity. The result was 12 steps and 12 traditions, the cornerstone of AA, NA, OA, AMEND, and a few others. In fact, those groups combined outnumber any other sect. The most interesting thing is that teenager attendence is growing at phenomenal rates. There is a strong spiritual hunger in young people today. They have been taught by 'Secular Humanism' that people are responsible for destiny. Fortunately, after an episode with an uncontrollable situation, they learn that they MUST RELY on a HIGHER POWER. The one the found in church was 'The Boogie Man' who would strike them down with lightning if they didn't tithe, do everything the minester/preacher/pastor told them..., God would 'punish them'. After comparing their best effort at self-determination with the lives of those who 'used to be even worse', and seeing the progress of others, they figure 'I Can't, God can, I'll let him', then they 'clear away the wreckage of the past', and 'continue to seek progress (not perfection) on a daily basis' and share this experience with others. The message of Christ was that God wanted to do good things for people, not 'Smite them'. He explained that the greatest sins were 'what came out of people's mouths' as a result of anger, fear, or obsessive want. He chastised the pharisees for 'playing god' and using 'The KOSHER laws' as a club, even to the detrement of the 10 commandments. You say you are a Christian. I believe you think you are. You have tried to obey laws which were abused from the time of Exodus. Moses and the Judges made many 'rulings' to prevent retaliatory acts which would lead to the breaking of God's commandments. Even today, many 'rulings' are made to reduce the possibility of greater crimes. Because of your desire to please God, you avoid many of the 'tough spots' that might otherwise have weakened your faith. Catholics were prevented from reading the four Gospels in their entirety out of the fear that the message of freedom would cause total anarchy and persecution of the church. The King James bible had many 'carefully worded phrases' which, though 'properly translated', seriously distort the true meanings of many phrases (the 'Tithe' paid to the King of Salem was actually a 'maximum tax'). Many Churches still rely on 'verse quoting' to strengthen personal or political views (how many oft quoted phrases from the letters of Paul are prefaced with words to the effect of 'This is just my personal opinion, for what that's worth') as 'God's Own Word'. Even Mormon Prophesies contain such 'disclaimers'. Unfortunately, Christians are a little lax about the '12 traditions'. The actions of Faulwell, Robertson,... do affect churches which do not share their opinions, just as 'Liberation Theology' affected the migration of Christianity into totalitarian climates (since NERO). Disclaimer: I do not speak for any of the groups mentioned above, Claim no membership in any of them (except 2), violate my own anonymity because - 1) I hope that sharing may help someone who is having problems of this sort. 2) I can't post news as GUEST on this machine.
bbellows@udenva.UUCP (Bambi) (10/10/85)
> Oye, Got, Goyim! I cannot represent all Jews, and wouldn't try; but, there are some errs in your logic that I cannot let pass: 1) Yes, the Children of Abraham are as numerous as the sands on the Earth. Abraham was the father of Isaac and Esau. Isaac started the Judeo-Christian Culture; Esau started the Moslem culture. By your numbers, that is 13.5 million Jews, 2.something billion Christians, and 2.something billion Moslems. To me, that's a lot of people... Wait! The Christians aren't Jews! Ahhh, but, Jesus was Jewish, now wasn't he? And, most of his followers were Jewish, weren't they? Golly. How could you have forgotten that the vast majority of the early Christians were Jews in Drag? They believed that Christ was God. Well, that is their perogative. Most Jews that I know think that Christ was a nice Jewish boy. Then, who was it? Someone in your early history decided that following the laws of Moses, and the theories of Jesus were just too hard. Why have two masters? So, they dismissed the 300+ laws of Moses. Poof! Everyone who wanted to eat pork, or go in drag, or commit incest, or hook on the corner could now be saved and do whatever they pleased. Well, given, that didn't last very long. But, that's how you got most of your early Christians who were still sons and daughters of Abraham. Now, let's see what else I can tear apart... Oh, yes, Jews, so far as I have always been taught could not have insulted your Holy Christ by calling him the son of a devil, because they simply hadn't invented a devil. Hell, Damnation, and Fire and Brimstone are all morbid Christian Beliefs which basically say that if you don't do what I want you to do, you'll be damned forever. If that is the kind of religion you choose to believe in, ge gesundte heit. Now, I'm not sure what Br'th means. It could very well mean convenant. I don't know. But, I do know that Ish isn't Men, that's Aishim. Gee, I wish I knew how to thumb through the rest of your garbaje. Well, I suppose I cannot object farther, because I didn't memorize your rather long speech. I can only say that, like it or not, you probably have Jewish Blood in your veins, so, don't descriminate against yourself. > Some of you more recent readers of the various nets may be wondering > why Oded Feingold et alia are all over my case. It's obvious from some of > my submissions that I have no use for the Israeli UN Protectorate, and > that I have all but declared war on the ADL/JDL and their minions. It > should also be obvious that there is bad blood between me and the > International One-World-Government Communist conspiracy. And I also > believe in America First--Without Apology. These four things are usually > enough to send 5,781,000 "Americans" into catatonic fits. (I shouldn't > generalize like that. There are exceptions.) > > The underlieing reason why Oded et alia want my head is because of my > religious beliefs. I happen to believe in Christian Identity. Pure and > simple. > > Understand that there is no way that Judaism can tolerate Identity. The > two cannot coexist, nor can Identity be allowed to exist at all. Identity > says that Christians are God's Chosen People of the Old Testament, the > direct descendants of the Old Testament Israelites. Identity believes that > the covenants given to the Scriptural Israelites by God are still in full > force and effect, and that we are bound to obey them. We also believe that > the United States and Canada are the Promised Land of prophesy. > > Judaism, on the other hand, believes that the Jews are the descendants > of the Israelites, the keepers of the Law and covenants, the Chosen People, > etc., and that the Israeli UN Protectorate is the Promised land. Now do you > see the source of the friction? > > So how widespread is this concept? The Mormons and the Worldwide Church > of God are both considered Identity religions. And they are just the > beginning. Most of us belong to mainstream denominations, such as Roman > Catholic, Baptist, Lutheran, etc. We just go to church on Sunday and > blend in with the rest of the Alka-seltzer Christians (you know---they > go to church and fizz for an hour. Then they forget what they heard for > another week). There are a few off-the-wall extremists, who are shunned > by us moderates. > > Now, some of you may say that this concept is neo-Nazi, racist, anti- whoops! anyhow, it could very well be that the U.S. is in the revelation; but, as which country?? > semetic, etc. ad nauseam. Well, let's debunk that rumor. A Nazi is first > and formost a Socialist, more of a Communist than anything else. (Notice > that all my detractors had to give up calling me a Nazi. They knew that > they were so full of s___ that their eyes were brown.) The term "anti- > semite" is a term the Jews love to use. Most people do not understand > that the Jews are not the only Semite people on the planet. Most of the > others are ARABS. (Try telling an Arab that he's an antisemite.) Ahhh, > so Identity MUST be racist. It's the only thing left. Well, yeah, OK. > Maybe. Tell me, if Christians claiming to be the Chosen People are > racists, then howcome Jews who make the same claim are not? Howcome > only one little group of 13.5 million are authorized the claim, and > groups of a billion Christians and a billion Moslems are not allowed > to dispute it? > > Is White Christianity the "master race?" Hell, no! The other peoples > of the Earth go back millions of years before the creation of Adam. They > were here first, and they were given their own lands. It is not up to > Israel or Esau to take those lands. (Isreal and Esau, as used here, are > the two sons of Isaac and their descendants.) Besides, Christ tells us > that there is salvation for all flesh that believes in Him. So who are > we to say that one race is better than another? > > Identity is basically a study of anthropology and geneology. We know > from secular history that the Israelites departed Palestine and fled into > the Caucasus Mountains (hence the term "Caucasian" to describe a person who > is of the "White" race). From there, they scattered throughout Europe. > Various historical evidence, including ancient legends, trace the Israelites > into the British Isles ("Br'th" and "Ish"---"Men of the Covenant") and > into Ireland, among other places. A group of them ended up in "Dansmark." > The most obvious marks of the true Israelites is that they would be completely > blind as to who they were, that they would speak with stammering tongues > (the most difficult language on Earth is English), and that they would be > called by a different name. All other scriptural prophesy will apply > only to the true Israel. > > Now, tell me, how can the Jews claim to have forgotten that they > were Israelites? Have the Jews had their name changed? Are the Jews as > numerous as the stars in the sky? No, my dear people, the Jews have > very little claim to Chosen status. > > Of course, it's acceptable for every other People on this Earth to be > able to trace their roots and history back 5,000 years. But it is never > ever acceptable for a Caucasian to do the same thing. > > Somebody on the net tried to start a discussion recently about "what if > the US really were a Christian Nation?" Originally, it was. Our laws > were based on the concepts of Mosaic law of the Old Testament. But then our > government was corrupted by the same Purveyors of Usury that were con- > demned by Christ as the Sons of Satan. So now we're right back where we > were just before the Captivity and banishment. We worship Baal and the > Golden Calf at the altars of Mystery Babylon the Great, according to the > Traditions of the Elders. Boy, are we going to get our peepees whacked > this time! > Now, if the U.S. were, indeed, a Christian country, as most countries, at one point were, there would be no acceptance of personal deviance. Why not kill the Jews, or the Gypsies (who are obviously wrong in believing in different religions), or the Homosexuals (those nasty people that Paul never liked), or the Women who actually want equality (have they no shame??), or those silly Irishmen who wear skirts (that's a sin, you know?)? Also, why allow deviance within Christianity? We certainly don't need all those sects. Find the one with the largest population... I think that's still the Catholics, and kill the Lutherns, and Methodists, and Baptists, and the Episcopalians, and the Pentacostals? Crimony! A national religion is ridiculous! Certainly most countries were religion based at one point; but, not any longer. Surely, they learned from their mistakes. Back to the Dialogue. > So let Feingold and Rosen and Dimitrovsky and the rest call me all the > names they want. They have no other choice but to do so. > > --Don Black > that's it, Don. *** REPLACE THIS LINE WITH YOUR MESSAGE *** quit