[net.politics] social vs. defense spending: more legerdemain!

orb@whuxl.UUCP (SEVENER) (11/13/85)

feeling forced to concede that including the Social Security
Trust Fund in the category of "social welfare" is like
mixing apples and oranges, Dave Olson is now trying to
retreat behind another mixup of apples and oranges: namely
combining all state government spending with federal spending
in his category of "social welfare" minus Social Security.
> I'll subtract the SS money from the total federal "social
> welfare" stated if you will allow me to include the "social welfare"
> spent at the state and local levels.  Fair enough?
> 
> I could not find the figure in the almanac listed above, but in the
> _World_Almanac_ of 1985 it lists the total expenditure by the Social
> Security Administration in 1982 at $176.2 billion.  That leaves about
> $416 billion of social welfare money without SS.  That still means that
> for every poor person (man, woman, and child), over $13,000 of *social
> welfare money* was spent on something in just that year.  
 
I'm afraid this won't really work either, Dave.  If you wish
to include states spending on social welfare then you should
also include their spending on state militias, the National 
Guard, and so forth.  Moreover, I believe (I am not sure
of this) that the largest expenses for most states is 
transportation- namely the highway system.  Interestingly
enough the initial impetus for the Interstate Highway System
proposed by Eisenhower was for *National Defense* : it was
felt that an Interstate Highway System would allow swift
mobilization in the event of an attack. Moreover Interstate
Highways are one of the primary means of shipping nuclear and
other defense materials.  It just so happens that this is one
of those rare cases where spending justified by an appeal to
National Defense, also provided very real civilian benefits.
 
Not only that, but supposed "social spending" by states
is as deceptive as "social spending" by the federal government
which falsely includes Social Security- one of the major categories
of such spending is unemployment insurance.  Just like Social
Security unemployment insurance is only available after *working*.
It is paid by both employee taxes and employer contributions,
and it makes no distinctions in terms of income.  A $90,000
a year stockbroker who is unemployed gets 80% of his previous
job's salary the same as the $7000 a year janitor.  I know
this from personal experience when a stockbroker I knew was
laid off and collected 80% of his previous salary while his
benefits lasted.  One of the clerks thought there was mistake-
that his unemployment check must be for the month ratherthan
the week because of its size.  But that is the way unemployment
insurance works.  It is definitely *not* just a welfare handout
for the poor - it provides exactly what it claims, unemployment
*insurance* for those individuals who get laid off due to
circumstances, be they larger economic forces or personal reasons,
beyond their control.
 
I do not want to delve into the myriad finances of all 50 states
and it is totally inappropriate to do so when the subject is
*federal spending*.
        tim sevener  whuxn!orb