[net.politics] Mr. Sinha's remarks regarding Israel, Kaddoumi, etc.

oaf@mit-vax.UUCP (Oded Feingold) (12/09/85)

>	In light of this, (Hussein's pending visit to  the  US)  for
>	Israel to go and bomb the PLO HQ in Tunis, was a slap in the
>	face to ANY peace perogative.		[Velu Sinha]
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    Has  it  occurred to anyone that the Israeli government's mandate is
to protect its own population?  That extends as much to  reassuring  the
collective  national  psyche that attacks on Israeli civilians (remember
Cyprus, three days and three deaths before) will be answered with  force
as to keeping the borders secure.

>	Even if the raid did accomplish its goals...
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...which I've adumbrated above,

>	SOME  Israeli's  efforts  to   eradicate   the   world   of
>	Palestinians
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Irrelevant bullshit, in my opinion.

>	it could have been performed the week before 
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... no, since it would precede the provocation,

>	or the week after with less adverse effects!
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    Possibly.   But  neither  Hussein  nor  Arafat,  nor for that matter
Reagan, are the Israeli constituency, are they?

>	and until many Jews stop believeing they are  Gods  Gift  to
>	Humanity.
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    Scratch Mr.  Sinha deep enough, and you find yet  another  god  damn
anti-Semite.   Oops,  he  supports  some  Arabs  -  make that Jew-hater.
[Thanx and a hat-tip to Louis Farrakhan].

>	However, when any group is given the privilidge of 
>	independence,
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    Yes, "given."  [You've canceled a lot of people's sacrifice of their
lives, but they're just Kikes.]

>	(how many other times have lands been partitioned and  given
>	to  a  releigious/racial group to form an Independant nation
>	in the history of Man?)
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    Howzbout a year before, on the Indian  subcontinent?   Doesn't  that
suffice, Mr. Velu Sinha?

>	it is expected that some exempelary behaviour will be shown.
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    Yes,  you  Indians  (and  Pakistanis)  sure showed the way.  Pity we
couldn't profit  by  your  example.   If  the  Israelis  had  taken  the
casualties  of  EITHER  side of that little rearrangement, they'd all be
dead, and there'd be no problem.  Hotcha gotcha - never let it  be  said
you can't solve a problem.   Solomonic - here, have half a baby.
    Then again, modern Indian history shows the exemplary nature of such
a nation.

>	it should be the DUTY of the peoples involved to negotiate a
>	solution.
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    On whose terms?  Yours?

>	Every indication shows that the PLO is ready  to  take  what
>	ever is offered to it.
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    ... and fight for the rest.  Check the Palestine National Covenant.

>	I  believe  that  if Israel, Jordan, and Lebanon could set a
>	side a mutually (along the PLO, of course!) agreeable  peace
>	of land, the LARGE SCALE WAR would end.
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    Jordan  has  made  a  fine  (but  meaningless)  move in that regard,
renouncing all claim to the West bank at the Rabat  conference  in  1982
(or  1983??)   However, Lebanon since 1975 has had no government capable
of allocating land to outside groups, nor  has  it  ever  had  any  good
reason  to  do  so.   Also, if you check a Syrian geography text, you'll
discover that it includes ALL of Israel, ALL of Lebanon and the majority
of  Jordan  as  Syria  irredenta.  That leaves precisely nothing for the
Palestinians, not even the Gaza Strip,  NOTHING,  amigo.   By  the  way,
where does a boychik like you draw the lower bound to "large-scale" war?

    Your  ideas  have  no connection to reality.  You are suggesting the
pipe dream of ablating FIVE nations' deepest feelings to  your  wish  to
out-think us all (in a single posting, yet.)  Charming.

>	The  arabs  give  no  more  resounding  applause  to   their
>	compatriots than does the US to its.
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    The  discussion  in  question  is  Farouk  Kaddoumi's (permanent PLO
observer to the UN) remarks that "maybe" Marilyn Klinghoffer pushed  her
husband  overboard during the Achille Lauro hijacking, presumably to get
rid of an incapacitated  husband  or  for  the  insurance  money.   That
statement  was  made to the applause of the Arab League representatives,
at whose luncheon the remarks were made.  Secretary-General Javier Perez
de  Cuellar  was  there,  as was President of the General Assembly Jaime
Pinies (Spain.)  The Boston Globe report I saw (12/5/85) did not specify
whether the latter two gentlemen joined in the applause.

    Are those the remarks you seek to defend?

    Perhaps, Mr. Sinha, you could tone down your pontifications?

    Actually,  I  don't want Messrs. Sinha nor Aouriri to restrain their
remarks.  I like my Jew-haters in the open.

Happy Hanukah, all
-- 

Oded Feingold     MIT AI Lab.   545 Tech Square    Cambridge, Mass. 02139
OAF%OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA   {harvard, ihnp4!mit-eddie}!mitvax!oaf   617-253-8598

raghu@rlgvax.UUCP (Raghu Raghunathan) (12/11/85)

> >	and until many Jews stop believeing they are  Gods  Gift  to
> >	Humanity.
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>     Scratch Mr.  Sinha deep enough, and you find yet  another  god  damn
> anti-Semite.   Oops,  he  supports  some  Arabs  -  make that Jew-hater.
> 					Oded Feingold

 Oded, Are you saying that anyone who says Jews are not God's Gift to
 humanity is an anti-semite? And that anyone who supports Arabs is a
 Jew-hater?

 Am I missing something here? Why should people of other religion
 believe that Jews are special in any way? How would you react if I
 told you that Hindus are God's chosen people (which I am not saying, by
 the way).