janw@inmet.UUCP (12/01/85)
I wonder if many agree with me that the permanent way to bury the problem of racism is through racial intermarriage. Brazil, compared to the USA, is an interesting example. It abolished slavery 25 years after US did; its black population was relative- ly greater; yet - compared to USA - it has had a history of ra- cial harmony. There is a correlation between complexion and so- cial position - but merely correlation. It may be because mis- cegenation was never the taboo there that it was here. There is a racist explanation of such things. According to it, ethnic groups of Germanic, North European stock such as English, German and Dutch (Boers) are less tolerant of contacts with blacks than Latin, South European people . In my opinion, that explanation doesn't wash. A rich white gentleman in the old South of USA would fill his house with black servants and let a black woman wet-nurse his children. Had the same black woman entered a restaurant and sat down three tables across from him, he would be full of revulsion and indignation, and would take drastic steps because this would be contact on the basis of *equality*. Now his descendants are no more troubled by this, though not free of oth- er vestiges of racism. Racism is not instinctive or natural but acquired and cultural. The reasons for the intolerance towards mixed marriages and liaisons are historical. It seems that in USA, such unions are becoming more and more socially acceptable - and more frequent, and this is hopeful. Jan Wasilewsky
jim@ISM780B.UUCP (12/02/85)
I agree with you completely, Jan. (Hey!) -- Jim Balter (ima!jim)
dave@lsuc.UUCP (David Sherman) (12/10/85)
In article <7800848@inmet.UUCP> janw@inmet.UUCP writes: > > I wonder if many agree with me that the permanent way to bury >the problem of racism is through racial intermarriage. Brazil, >compared to the USA, is an interesting example. It abolished >slavery 25 years after US did; its black population was relative- >ly greater; yet - compared to USA - it has had a history of ra- >cial harmony. I can attest to that. I lived in Sa~o Paulo for 2.5 years, and it wasn't until I returned to Toronto (at age 12) that I realized I'd become rather oblivious to colour while there. I was startled when I first noticed a black person on a bus in Toronto - not startled at the person, but startled that I "noticed" it, since I'd never noticed it in Brazil. I concluded at the time that the reason must be because almost everyone there is some shade in between white and black. (On top of that, the whites are all heavily tanned from the sun :-) Dave Sherman Toronto -- { ihnp4!utzoo pesnta utcs hcr decvax!utcsri } !lsuc!dave
dave@cylixd.UUCP (Dave Kirby) (12/10/85)
> I wonder if many agree with me that the permanent way to bury >the problem of racism is through racial intermarriage. Uh-huh. And so you're going to break GOD'S LAWS to accomplish social change. You sound like other communist sympathizers who would like to destroy our society under the guise of solving problems. You and other pinkos would like to do away with racial purity altogether. >Brazil, compared to the USA... has had a history of ra- >cial harmony. Only because the whole country is full of inferior races in the first place. >There is a racist explanation of such things. According to it, >ethnic groups of Germanic, North European stock such as English, >German and Dutch (Boers) are less tolerant of contacts with >blacks than Latin, South European people . In my opinion, that >explanation doesn't wash. We superior races are tolerant of the lower ones as long as the lower races are kept in their place, either voluntarily or by force. It is when they deny the racial superiority of the caucasians that trouble always develops. History bears this out. So does the Bible. >A rich white gentleman in the old South >of USA would fill his house with black servants and let a black >woman wet-nurse his children. Had the same black woman entered a >restaurant and sat down three tables across from him, he would be >full of revulsion and indignation... It's one thing to nurse from them. It's another thing to have to eat with them. >It seems that in USA, such unions are >becoming more and more socially acceptable - and more frequent, >and this is hopeful. Well, drugs and (shiver) rock and roll are also becoming more "socially acceptable," but that doesn't mean they are right or even good for this country. When the true (white) Israel is finally wiped from this earth, through intermarriage with heathen races, then you'll find out that it was the caucasians who were the stabilizing force in this world. But it'll be too late then. You'll be stuck in a world of inferior beings, with no way of reversing your mistake. Then the true patriots will look down from God's heaven and say, "Stick it in yer ear!" WITH THE ABSENCE OF DON BLACK ON THE NET, I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE GOOD TO INCLUDE THE PRECEDING OPPOSING OPINION. THE PRECEDING LIKELY DOES NOT EXPRESS DON'S VIEWPOINTS ACCURATELY (AND CERTAINLY DOES NOT EXPRESS THEM AS ELOQUENTLY AS HE DID), BUT I FIGURED IT WOULD BE FUN TO TRY. THE ABOVE OPINIONS DO N-O-T REFLECT MY OWN; THEY REFLECT JUST THE OPPOSITE. I AM NOT A RACIST. I AM INTOLERANT OF ALL PEOPLE, REGARDLESS OF RACE, ETHNIC ORIGIN, OR ECONOMIC CLASS. Boy, this has been fun. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Kirby ( ...!ihnp4!akgub!cylixd!dave) (The views expressed herein are not mine, neither are they the opinions of RCA Cylix or any of its employees, nor are they the opinions of any truly nice people.)
franka@mmintl.UUCP (Frank Adams) (12/16/85)
In article <7800848@inmet.UUCP> janw@inmet.UUCP writes: > I wonder if many agree with me that the permanent way to bury >the problem of racism is through racial intermarriage. I can't let this pass without generating at least a little controversy. Yes, this is the long term solution to racism. But it isn't sufficient. It takes at least 50 years (2 generations); and that assumes that inter- racial marriages become very common very soon. More likely, it will take 2 to 4 times as long. So we need to actively combat racism in the mean time. Also, there is a question of cause and effect here. It is racist attitudes, in large part, which prevent inter-racial marriages. Get rid of the attitudes, and the rest follows. If you don't at least weaken those attitudes, your solution won't happen. Frank Adams ihpn4!philabs!pwa-b!mmintl!franka Multimate International 52 Oakland Ave North E. Hartford, CT 06108