oaf@mit-vax.UUCP (Oded Feingold) (12/09/85)
I object to the term "Arab psyche" because, like any other form of bigotry, it reduces people to equivalence classes. These classes are too crudely and falsely granular to be useful for anything. I would insult my own intelligence and ability to evaluate data if I filtered my inputs that way. Mr. Chedley Aouriri's questioning "Jewish allegiance" is another example of such grotesque generalization. However, it is perhaps fair to characterize certain governments (in this case Arab ones) for characteristic qualities. The Syrian example [girls biting snakes, people killing dogs] seems to me typical of that government's cruelty and propensity to rule by lies and manipulated hysteria. I can look to the massacre at Hama and the unconscionable squeeze put on Arafat's PLO for further examples, and feel comfortable labeling the Syrian government as I have. [Corrections invited.] But note - even general truths about a society or a government do not say anything about individuals from said society or government. I know several Syrians, Lebanese, Palestinians and Egyptians as individual humans: ANYTHING I think of their government or their society has no necessary application to them as individuals. I THINK I CAN LIVE with that distinction, and will even recommend it to others, including people as diverse as Messrs. Martillo, Aouriri, and Velu Sinha. By the way, I also feel that distinguishing one's feelings toward groups and individuals permits me to sidestep certain controversies in related fields. For example, who gives a damn whether Shockley, Herrnstein et alii are right about Blacks averaging N points lower on IQ tests? Such norms say nothing about individuals, and I'd be a fool to treat a new Black acquaintance as anything but herself, no? [Do not be misled into thinking I have any respect for IQ scores as a measure of anything.] Flames invited - my mailbox is lonely. -- Oded Feingold MIT AI Lab. 545 Tech Square Cambridge, Mass. 02139 OAF%OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA {harvard, ihnp4!mit-eddie}!mitvax!oaf 617-253-8598
gottlieb@alliant.UUCP (Bob Gottlieb) (12/17/85)
In article <13@mit-vax.UUCP> oaf@mit-vax.UUCP (Oded Feingold) writes: > However, it is perhaps fair to characterize certain governments (in >this case Arab ones) for characteristic qualities. The Syrian example >[girls biting snakes, people killing dogs] seems to me typical of that >government's cruelty and propensity to rule by lies and manipulated >hysteria. In the words of some Science Fiction writer (Gordy Dickson, I believe), "People get the kind of government they deserve". I feel that this is true. The broader statement: "People get the kind of government they want" may be true at the subconscious level, anyway. > But note - even general truths about a society or a government do >not say anything about individuals from said society or government. I agree, as far as INDIVIDUALS are concerned. My previous statement is meant to apply to societies/governments, not to individuals. -- Bob Gottlieb UUCP: ...!linus!alliant!gottlieb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "I don't know what I'm doing, and Alliant isn't responsible either, so there!"