oaf@mit-vax.UUCP (Oded Feingold) (12/18/85)
[Chedley Aouriri is indented.] > Contrary to the cases of several other spies caught spooking > against their country for money or emotional/sexual > motivations, the troubling issue in the case of this > american jew caught spying for Israel, against the USA, was > that he was doing it for IDEOLOGICAL motivations. ------------------------------ Not a real human being, just an "american jew?" Sounds like a "traditional" spy. TROUBLING because we can't hit him for tax evasion or because he's less likely to strike a deal once caught? [Apparently, he got paid, so IRS has a handle on him.] AGAINST the USA is less clear in this case than some others. Israel isn't likely to use what it learned to harm the US, except perhaps to embarrass us as we failed to prevent (or notice) something they did, or by achieving successes against US-armed opponents - presumably we arm people so their enemies can't beat them. In any case, the damage from their learning our secrets pales to insignificance when compared with the results of other countries' learning those same secrets. Note that the Israelis are excellent at maintaining military secrecy - a pipeline to them is not the same as a pipeline to the Soviet Union. Would that our other allies had security half as good. [Of course, you could claim the Israelis are planning a treacherous surprise attack on the US, in which case Pollard's spying takes on a new dimension. Speak to me if you'd like help expanding the hypothesis. Or read THE MOUSE THAT ROARED, by Leonard Wibberley.] > How do you think we should react if we catch an american spy > passing classified information to Moscow, and doing it NOT > for money (in this country, dollar motivation is respected) > or because he fell in love with a lovely KGB operative, but > because he believes in the Communist ideology.?. ------------------------------ String the bastard up! Luckily, the SU's emotional and intellectual hold on intelligent people is zilch. Anyone who considers the USSR ideologically more deserving than US is a misfit, so it's no great loss to execute him. Conversely, we could keep them around for trading purposes. (Is this a trick question?) > I think that for political reasons, the fallout and the > implications of this case have been diligently pushed under > the rug by the american and israeli political establishments. ------------------------------ Only to keep you from having too much fun. More seriously, to keep the sheep (US citizenry) from being exposed to the contradictions in US and Israeli policies (polities?), and prevent a storm that will throw out the baby with the bathwater. You Americans are so emotional... In case someone didn't notice, I agree. I'm happier that way. Presumably Mr. Aouriri isn't. > I was surprised by the replies to my posting, who tried either > to duck the issue, or to hide behind anti-anti-semitism/zionism > rhetoric. ------------------------------ You were surprised? How would you like a bridge - you could get rich off the tolls. I happen to have one here... Mr. Aouriri's original posting _questioned_ _the_ _loyalty_ _of_ _American_ _Jews_ as a group, based on a single case of one apparently spying for Israel. That's anti-semitism of the Jew-hating persuasion. You're not playing your strongest card. Howzbout the Rosenbergs? After all, all Jews are Zionists and all Zionists are spies. For $1.00 (not $15.00 - this one's too easy) name the famous guy who said that. So what's to hide behind? Anyway, you're not being original. Read Emile Zola's J'ACCUSE. -- Oded Feingold MIT AI Lab. 545 Tech Square Cambridge, Mass. 02139 OAF%OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA {harvard, ihnp4!mit-eddie}!mitvax!oaf 617-253-8598