bottom@katadn.DEC (12/18/85)
In reply to: >Arlan honey, political viewpoint is not yet grounds for censorship on this >network, but if it were, I would struggle just as hard for your right to >post your mindless drivel as well as the next naive ideologist. > >- > Mark Roddy > Net working, > Just reading the news. > > (harvard!talcott!panda!enmasse!comm!mark) Please re-read the following: >Relay-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site decvax.UUCP >Posting-Version: version B 2.10.3 4.3bsd-beta 6/6/85; site nsc.UUCP >Path: decvax!decwrl!nsc!chuqui >From: chuqui@nsc.UUCP (Laurie Sefton, C/O chuqui) >Newsgroups: net.politics,net.flame >Subject: Re: HOW TO DEAL WITH A JERK >Message-ID: <3165@nsc.UUCP> >Date: Sun, 22-Sep-85 14:31:24 EDT >Article-I.D.: nsc.3165 >Posted: Sun Sep 22 14:31:24 1985 >Date-Received: Sun, 22-Sep-85 21:46:01 EDT >References: <372@wuphys.UUCP> >Reply-To: chuqui@nsc.UUCP (Laurie Sefton, C/O chuqui) >Followup-To: net.flame >Distribution: usa >Organization: The Warlocks Cave >Lines: 33 >Keywords: boycott, sales reps, money >Summary: Money works where morality fails >Xref: nsc net.politics:11214 net.flame:12117 >Okay, so here's the problem that some of you have been having with Mr. >Black-- you violently disagree with his viewpoints, you're not that sure >that he isn't threatening *you*, and it doesn't seem that you have any >recourse to getting him off the net.... >Oh yes you do.... >The next time that Mr/Ms DEC sales rep shows up, wanting to make a nice >little juicy sale, you can just tell him/her why you don't feel, in good >faith of course, you can continue to buy DEC products. A concise letter >which outlines your problems with "what appears to be the DEC philosophy" >wouldn't hurt, either. Now, when Mr/Ms sales rep gets a sale taken away >from them, they tend to try and rectify the matter. What do you think DEC >would do if they had their salespeople calling them up, and telling them >*why* they didn't make a sale with monstrocorp? Can you see the sales >personnel calling in and asking exactly *what* Mr. Black is doing to get >all of *their* customers in such a froth? Yup.... >Now, I'm not suggesting that all of you who disgree with Mr. Black go out >and write letters to your local sales rep; I'm just saying you could, if >you wanted to..... >Laurie Sefton >Chuq Von Rospach nsc!chuqui@decwrl.ARPA {decwrl,hplabs,ihnp4}!nsc!chuqui >Take time to stop and count the ewoks... This message advocates censorship and if you were receiving net.politics back then you must remember all of the postings from other usenetters advocating that Mr. Black be censored because they didn't like his "America First without apologies" ideology. This is not an open forum as anyone who questions the motivation and friendship of Israel gets to be an anti-Semite, thanks to Oded, anyone who questions the humanitarianism of the Santinistas gets to be a honorary member of the moral majority, I could go on endlessly. I am not defending Mr. Black's political viewpoints, nor anyone else's just noting that this "open forum" is not totally objective and has in the past, called for the censorship of unpopular opinions. Please also note that this posting was forwarded from someone who is not a regular usenet participant by one of the backbone site administrators, Chug von Rospatch, who on one other occasion sucessfully censored a DEC employee, and who stated publically that since his site payed the bills (for usenet) he felt he has the right to censor anyone he feel's like censoring. I will also note that this censorship effort was successful as Mr. Black has been restrained by DEC as a result of the efforts of the few who could not tolerate an open discussion of Don's opinions. Also to settle the question once and for all Don Black (of DEC) is a real person, not the grand wazoo of the KKK, he is just an employee of DEC and private citizen. Dave Bottom !dec-rhea!dec-katadn!bottom ***************************************************************************** ** Digital Equipment Corporation does not endorse my opinions and I do ** ** not necessarily endorse theirs. ** ***************************************************************************** Relay-Version: version B 2.10.3 4.3bsd-beta 6/6/85; site sdcrdcf.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site decwrl.UUCP Path: sdcrdcf!sdcsvax!ucbvax!decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-katadn!bottom From: bottom@katadn.DEC Newsgroups: net.politics Subject: Re: Usenet and censorship Message-ID: <59@decwrl.UUCP> Date: 18 Dec 85 13:45:15 GMT Date-Received: 19 Dec 85 10:16:25 GMT Sender: daemon@decwrl.UUCP Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 95 In reply to: >Arlan honey, political viewpoint is not yet grounds for censorship on this >network, but if it were, I would struggle just as hard for your right to >post your mindless drivel as well as the next naive ideologist. > >- > Mark Roddy > Net working, > Just reading the news. > > (harvard!talcott!panda!enmasse!comm!mark) Please re-read the following: >Relay-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site decvax.UUCP >Posting-Version: version B 2.10.3 4.3bsd-beta 6/6/85; site nsc.UUCP >Path: decvax!decwrl!nsc!chuqui >From: chuqui@nsc.UUCP (Laurie Sefton, C/O chuqui) >Newsgroups: net.politics,net.flame >Subject: Re: HOW TO DEAL WITH A JERK >Message-ID: <3165@nsc.UUCP> >Date: Sun, 22-Sep-85 14:31:24 EDT >Article-I.D.: nsc.3165 >Posted: Sun Sep 22 14:31:24 1985 >Date-Received: Sun, 22-Sep-85 21:46:01 EDT >References: <372@wuphys.UUCP> >Reply-To: chuqui@nsc.UUCP (Laurie Sefton, C/O chuqui) >Followup-To: net.flame >Distribution: usa >Organization: The Warlocks Cave >Lines: 33 >Keywords: boycott, sales reps, money >Summary: Money works where morality fails >Xref: nsc net.politics:11214 net.flame:12117 >Okay, so here's the problem that some of you have been having with Mr. >Black-- you violently disagree with his viewpoints, you're not that sure >that he isn't threatening *you*, and it doesn't seem that you have any >recourse to getting him off the net.... >Oh yes you do.... >The next time that Mr/Ms DEC sales rep shows up, wanting to make a nice >little juicy sale, you can just tell him/her why you don't feel, in good >faith of course, you can continue to buy DEC products. A concise letter >which outlines your problems with "what appears to be the DEC philosophy" >wouldn't hurt, either. Now, when Mr/Ms sales rep gets a sale taken away >from them, they tend to try and rectify the matter. What do you think DEC >would do if they had their salespeople calling them up, and telling them >*why* they didn't make a sale with monstrocorp? Can you see the sales >personnel calling in and asking exactly *what* Mr. Black is doing to get >all of *their* customers in such a froth? Yup.... >Now, I'm not suggesting that all of you who disgree with Mr. Black go out >and write letters to your local sales rep; I'm just saying you could, if >you wanted to..... >Laurie Sefton >Chuq Von Rospach nsc!chuqui@decwrl.ARPA {decwrl,hplabs,ihnp4}!nsc!chuqui >Take time to stop and count the ewoks... This message advocates censorship and if you were receiving net.politics back then you must remember all of the postings from other usenetters advocating that Mr. Black be censored because they didn't like his "America First without apologies" ideology. This is not an open forum as anyone who questions the motivation and friendship of Israel gets to be an anti-Semite, thanks to Oded, anyone who questions the humanitarianism of the Santinistas gets to be a honorary member of the moral majority, I could go on endlessly. I am not defending Mr. Black's political viewpoints, nor anyone else's just noting that this "open forum" is not totally objective and has in the past, called for the censorship of unpopular opinions. Please also note that this posting was forwarded from someone who is not a regular usenet participant by one of the backbone site administrators, Chug von Rospatch, who on one other occasion sucessfully censored a DEC employee, and who stated publically that since his site payed the bills (for usenet) he felt he has the right to censor anyone he feel's like censoring. I will also note that this censorship effort was successful as Mr. Black has been restrained by DEC as a result of the efforts of the few who could not tolerate an open discussion of Don's opinions. Also to settle the question once and for all Don Black (of DEC) is a real person, not the grand wazoo of the KKK, he is just an employee of DEC and private citizen. Dave Bottom !dec-rhea!dec-katadn!bottom ***************************************************************************** ** Digital Equipment Corporation does not endorse my opinions and I do ** ** not necessarily endorse theirs. ** *****************************************************************************