aouriri@ittvax.ATC.ITT.UUCP (Chedley Aouriri) (12/16/85)
> > Recently Chedley aroused a great deal of interest while speaking out > his concern about allegiance of US Jews. > > Chedley, please follow up before opening up a new can of worms > On behalf of net's Light Reading Club. > Mike Cherepov I received several reply mails and follow-ups to my original posting raising the question of american jews'allegiance to Israel vs USA, following a spy case a couple weeks ago. Understandably, I offended some netters; I am sorry , but my posting was not meant to offend them. The allegiance question has been actually raised indirectly or obliquely by several people in the media, including the NY-Times. Contrary to the cases of several other spies caught spooking against their country for money or emotional/sexual motivations, the troubling issue in the case of this american jew caught spying for Israel, against the USA, was that he was doing it for IDEOLOGICAL motivations. How do you think we should react if we catch an american spy passing classified information to Moscow, and doing it NOT for money (in this country, dollar motivation is respected) or because he fell in love with a lovely KGB operative, but because he believes in the Communist ideology.?. I think that for political reasons, the fallout and the implications of this case have been diligently pushed under the rug by the american and israeli political establishments. I was surprised by the replies to my posting, who tried either to duck the issue, or to hide behind anti-anti-semitism/zionism rhetoric. HAPPY HOLIDAYS. CHEDLEY AOURIRI.
dsg@hlexa.UUCP (David S. Green) (12/18/85)
> > > How do you think we should react if we catch an american spy passing > classified information to Moscow, and doing it NOT for money > (in this country, dollar motivation is respected) or because he fell in > love with a lovely KGB operative, but because he believes in > the Communist ideology.?. > CHEDLEY AOURIRI. As best as I understand, citizens of the USA accused of any crimes are innocent until proven guilty by the United States Judicial System. The prosecuter of a criminal case ( "spying" is a criminal case ) would try to "prove" that the accused party is guilty of criminal charges. In any event, the sentence, if proven guilty, is based upon the facts of the case. For example, a person convicted of robbery would receive the same 5 years in the slammer whether the motive was for the love of money or if the motive was to get 5 years of free eats. Establishing a "motive" is important in any criminal case but it really doesn't matter after guilt or innocence is proven. The degree of the charge ( felony vs. misdemeanor, manslaughter vs. murder ) depends on the nature of the crime, or amount of money involved but spying is spying. Of course there is always the "sanity clause" . . . So, my answer is simply, let the courts decide the guilt and sentance; I could not care less what the motive is.
franka@mmintl.UUCP (Frank Adams) (12/19/85)
In article <566@ittvax.ATC.ITT.UUCP> aouriri@ittvax.ATC.ITT.UUCP (Chedley Aouriri) writes: >I received several reply mails and follow-ups to my original posting >raising the question of american jews'allegiance to Israel vs USA, >following a spy case a couple weeks ago. > >Contrary to the cases of several other spies caught spooking >against their country for money or emotional/sexual motivations, >the troubling issue in the case of this american jew caught spying for >Israel, against the USA, was that he was doing it for IDEOLOGICAL >motivations. >How do you think we should react if we catch an american spy passing >classified information to Moscow, and doing it NOT for money >(in this country, dollar motivation is respected) or because he fell in >love with a lovely KGB operative, but because he believes in >the Communist ideology.?. *Most* of the Russian spies who have been caught in this country were doing it because they believed in the Communist ideology. The recent case (I forget the name, family spying on the Navy) was noted in the press as being unusual because they apparently did it only for money. Frank Adams ihpn4!philabs!pwa-b!mmintl!franka Multimate International 52 Oakland Ave North E. Hartford, CT 06108