[net.politics] Hypocrisy in gov't et al

kel@ea.UUCP (01/24/86)

Earlier this month, Larry Kolodney <lkk@teddy> writes(excerpted):

Haiti is the home of one of the most brutal dictatorships in the
Western Hemisphere.  Its government has been a virtual family
feifdom for most of this century.

Yet the United States gives $50 million in aid per year to
prop up the government.
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Are we going to wait until there is a Communist revolution in
Haiti before we start worrying about human rights there?

(end quotes)


You shouldn't talk about these cases in isolation.  If you
include, for instance, Cuba, Guatemala, VietNam, Afghanistan,
Chile, Angola, The Phillipines, East Timor, Ghana, Ethiopia,
South Africa, Lebanon, Libya, Taiwan, Eastern Europe, Israel,
Korea, and Iran, you have a fairly comprehensive sampling of
aggressive and terroristic behavior in the Third World, par-
ticularly as instigated by "developed nations".  Presumably,
if you can sort all those facts out, together with the ones
you've mentioned, they will speak for themselves.

If I've missed a great many Communist aggressions that should
be included in my list, do please speak up.  However, at this
point, and in my humble opinion, the U.S. has built up quite
a reputation for installing and supporting "friendly" govern-
ments in Third World countries, even though such "friends" be
corrupt, despotic, and murderous against their own people;
further, that the U.S. supports such governments willfully,
knowing their nature.  For documentation of a single example
of this charge, I refer you to a sworn affidavit to the World
Court in the Hague by Edgar Chamorro, a former leader of the
Nicaraguan Contras and a former Jesuit priest, dated September,
1985.

I do not condone the fact that the Communists espouse revo-
lution as an integral component of doctrine.  Neither do I
endorse the notion that socialism is the logical political
successor to capitalism in the world.  Communism, whatever
its ends, however, has made its inroads in the Third World
almost entirely (with bordering states numbering notable
exceptions among them, e.g. Afghanistan) by means of popu-
larly supported revolution against bad government.

The U.S., however, callously disregards human rights issues
outside its own borders even as it pays lip service to them,
and little more, within its borders.  Reagan almost vetoed
Martin Luther King day; how's that for hypocrisy?  Serious,
determined sanctions by the U.S. against Praetoria would
break the back of apartheid in a single season, in a state
which condones indiscriminate mayhem by its police power
against Black natives, who are denied full citizenship by
the government Reagan refuses to act against.  Where are
the offers of U.S. observers to the Phillipine government
for their impending elections?  Why did it take five years
for the U.S. government to undertake support for AIDS re-
search?  What was the real purpose of invading Grenada?
The exploits of the United States' government since WWII
are enough to make a classic paranoid's dreams come true.

Apparently, the greatest beneficiary of U.S. adventurism
has been the U.S. business establishment.  This makes
excellent sense, as the Constitution was written with
the land owner and merchant in mind.  It is unfortunate,
however, that other values reflected in the Constitution
seem to have been sacrificed in favor of enterprise.  They are
intangible values more firmly espoused in the Declaration
of Independence; justice for all, life, liberty, and the
pursuit of happiness; notions we were taught were those
that made our war of revolution worthy.  We, for we are
responsible for the acts of those we allow to act on our
behalf, have abandoned our heritage of honor and of warrior-
hood.  We permit our names to be written on black deeds in
the pages of history.  We are unworthy to be the Americans
of our homeland, because George III himself would be aghast
at what we have wrought.

Therefore, let us discuss not the hypocrisy of the man we
have chosen to represent us, without discussing our own
hypocrisy in permitting his hypocrisy to be represented
as our will.

I more than welcome replies and further discussion of this
article; flames, however, > /dev/null.

Ken Lonquest,
kel@ea

(To assume that the opinions I express here are, or
coincide with, the opinions of Energy Analysts' manage-
ment, wuold be both false and manifestly stupid.)

ins_akaa@jhunix.UUCP (Ken Arromdee) (01/31/86)

>You shouldn't talk about these cases in isolation.  If you
>include, for instance, Cuba, Guatemala, VietNam, Afghanistan,
>Chile, Angola, The Phillipines, East Timor, Ghana, Ethiopia,
>South Africa, Lebanon, Libya, Taiwan, Eastern Europe, Israel,
>Korea, and Iran, you have a fairly comprehensive sampling of
>aggressive and terroristic behavior in the Third World, par-
>ticularly as instigated by "developed nations".  Presumably,
>if you can sort all those facts out, together with the ones
>you've mentioned, they will speak for themselves.
>If I've missed a great many Communist aggressions that should
>be included in my list, do please speak up.

The problem here is that you're not being clear.  For instance, does "Israel"
refer to Arab aggressions against Israel or US support of alleged Israeli
"agressions"?  And does "Cuba" mean the Bay of Pigs, or does it mean the
Cuban missile crisis, or the human rights situation in Cuba, or the essential
control of Cuba by the USSR?  Does "Korea" count as an aggression by the
US, or the USSR, if either?

Also, you seem to be glossing over many Communist agressions here--for instance,
"Eastern Europe" covers an awful lot of countries, especially if you count the
Ukraine, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, as well as parts of countries (Karelia),
and it covers an awful lot of incidents.  Lumping all these together as
"Eastern Europe" while listing the US-caused ones separately gives the im-
pression that the US is much more aggressive, and the USSR much less, than is
supported by the evidence.

For that matter, you left out the USSR itself completely, even though the
USSR has a bad human rights situation, much worse than the US.

>... I do not condone the fact that the Communists espouse revo-
>lution as an integral component of doctrine.  Neither do I
>endorse the notion that socialism is the logical political
>successor to capitalism in the world.  Communism, whatever
>its ends, however, has made its inroads in the Third World
>almost entirely (with bordering states numbering notable
>exceptions among them, e.g. Afghanistan) by means of popu-
>larly supported revolution against bad government.

The trouble is that often the "popularly supported" revolution isn't,
and even if it is the government that then follows is generally worse.
And if most inroads of Communism have been in the Third World, so what?
Most _countries_ are in the Third World.  Also, a Third World country
generally has a less stable government of its own, and is thus easier
to take over, either directly or by supporting a revolution, then taking over
after the revolution. 

>The U.S., however, callously disregards human rights issues
>outside its own borders even as it pays lip service to them,
>and little more, within its borders.  Reagan almost vetoed
>Martin Luther King day; how's that for hypocrisy?  Serious,
>determined sanctions by the U.S. against Praetoria would
>break the back of apartheid in a single season, in a state
>which condones indiscriminate mayhem by its police power
>against Black natives, who are denied full citizenship by
>the government Reagan refuses to act against.  Where are
>the offers of U.S. observers to the Phillipine government
>for their impending elections?  Why did it take five years
>for the U.S. government to undertake support for AIDS re-
>search?  What was the real purpose of invading Grenada?
>The exploits of the United States' government since WWII
>are enough to make a classic paranoid's dreams come true.

To take these in order:
1) "Almost" doesn't count.
2) Many people disagree that sanctions are the best way to fight apartheid.
   If someone believes that they are not, failing to support sanctions is
   not a "disregard" for human rights, assuming that person is doing whatever
   he/she feels is best to fight apartheid.  They may be mistaken about
   the ineffectiveness of sanctions, but that means only that they are
   trying to support human rights in a mistaken way, not that they aren't 
   trying to support human rights.  (Of course, this doesn't apply if the
   people in question are hypocrites, claiming that methods other than
   sanctions are more effective without actually believing it, just because
   they don't want sanctions.  If you think this is so, please say so.)
3) The US doesn't send observers to a lot of countries, but we don't doubt
   these countries have free elections.
4) You mean the lack of AIDS research is a violation of human rights?  Or
   are you implying something else? If so, please state it.
5) No matter what you may choose to believe, the vast majority of the Grenadans
   DID support the US invasion.  Obviously the reason wasn't to save the
   American students, but that doesn't mean the action is a US "aggression".

>[blame of the businessmen deleted] It is unfortunate,
>however, that other values reflected in the Constitution
>seem to have been sacrificed in favor of enterprise.  They are
>intangible values more firmly espoused in the Declaration
>of Independence; justice for all, life, liberty, and the
>pursuit of happiness; notions we were taught were those
>that made our war of revolution worthy.  We, for we are
>responsible for the acts of those we allow to act on our
>behalf, have abandoned our heritage of honor and of warrior-
>hood.  We permit our names to be written on black deeds in
>the pages of history.  We are unworthy to be the Americans
>of our homeland, because George III himself would be aghast
>at what we have wrought.

This is a nice general statement, which would take an exceedingly large
amount of space to properly reply to.  I'll content myself with these
observations: 

The values you have mentioned here are conspicuously absent in all Communist
countries.

Honor is only useful against an honorable enemy.  (No, I'm not justifying all
US actions by this, but it does apply to situations like invading Grenada,
even though Grenada is much smaller than the US)

I don't consider there to be a US heritage of "warriorhood".  And I thought
you didn't support US actions that fall into this category, anyway. (at least
from what you have written in your article, it seems so.)

I am not sure what connection George III has with this.

>Ken Lonquest,
>kel@ea
-- 
"We are going to give a little something, a few little years more, to
socialism, because socialism is defunct.  It dies all by iself.  The bad thing
is that socialism, being a victim of its... Did I say socialism?" -Fidel Castro

Kenneth Arromdee
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