mokhtar@ubc-vision.UUCP (Farzin Mokhtarian) (01/29/86)
Subject: Israel/Iran/arms/influence/terrorists/foolishness oaf@mit-vax.UUCP (Oded Feingold) writes: > Grant, for an instant, that Iran receives some supplies from Israel. > Are they lethal? Offensive? Defensive? Usable by terrorists? > Hand-held? Mobile? Useful for attacking civilian targets? Let's get > specific, please. None of this changes the point I have argued; that Israel has given military support to a regime which in turn supports terrorism and I have already elaborated on that. The distinction you are trying to make is a side issue. > Who publishes Kayhan, and what is its alignment on various issues? > To what extent is its political orientation allowed to influence its > content? Is there an English edition? Does it get mailed here, so I don't think there is a need to put that newspaper on trial here. If you still doubt my source, ask one of the several people who have tried to explain Israel's action to me for *their* sources. They may be able to refer you to more famous sources. Farzin Mokhtarian
tan@ihlpg.UUCP (Bill Tanenbaum) (01/29/86)
> [(Oded Feingold)] > > Who publishes Kayhan, and what is its alignment on various issues? > > To what extent is its political orientation allowed to influence its > > content? Is there an English edition? Does it get mailed here, so ------- > [Farzin Mokhtarian] > I don't think there is a need to put that newspaper on trial here. If you > still doubt my source, ask one of the several people who have tried to > explain Israel's action to me for *their* sources. They may be able to > refer you to more famous sources. ------ As one of those people, I must confess I have no good sources. All I remember is unconfirmed news reports of spare parts for Iran's American weapons reaching Iran from Israel. These reports appeared on TV news several years ago. There was no direct mention in the reports of Israeli government involvement, only an indirect implication. The reports, to me at least, were plausible. Of course, that does not necessarily make them true. -- Bill Tanenbaum - AT&T Bell Labs - Naperville IL ihnp4!ihlpg!tan
berman@psuvax1.UUCP (Piotr Berman) (02/03/86)
> Subject: Israel/Iran/arms/influence/terrorists/foolishness > > oaf@mit-vax.UUCP (Oded Feingold) writes: > > Grant, for an instant, that Iran receives some supplies from Israel. > > Are they lethal? Offensive? Defensive? Usable by terrorists? > > Hand-held? Mobile? Useful for attacking civilian targets? Let's get > > specific, please. > > None of this changes the point I have argued; that Israel has given military > support to a regime which in turn supports terrorism and I have already > elaborated on that. The distinction you are trying to make is a side issue. > > Farzin Mokhtarian > As it was pointed out, Israel's military support is not convincing: the allegations in mass media (there were some) were talking about aircraft parts, but other reports were telling that almost no Iranian aircraft can fly. What we got is help which is undocummented, uncertain and at best minuscule. Even more, Israel is alleged not to help "terrorists", but the helpers, additionally, is alleged to help the helpers doing something else than helping terrorist. What about those links: Western powers providing economical help to Brasil with large docummented military trade with Iran. Eastern powers (both USSR and China) supporting North Korea, which is another major Iranian supplier. What about anybody who supported (or traded with) Libia, Syria, Iraq etc.? We got entire NATO, Warsaw Pact, Arab Ligue, India etc. etc. Why single Israel out? It is nearly as arbitrary as an Arab oil embargo which was affecting Netherlands and (here, here!) Denmark. I am sure that if you would dig for a while, Danish government would be exposed to be as 'hideus' as Israel. Piotr Berman
mokhtar@ubc-vision.UUCP (Farzin Mokhtarian) (02/06/86)
Subject: Re: Israel/Iran/arms > What about those links: Western powers providing economical help to > Brasil with large docummented military trade with Iran. > Eastern powers (both USSR and China) supporting North Korea, which is > another major Iranian supplier. > What about anybody who supported (or traded with) Libia, Syria, Iraq > etc.? We got entire NATO, Warsaw Pact, Arab Ligue, India etc. etc. > Why single Israel out? It is nearly as arbitrary as an Arab oil > embargo which was affecting Netherlands and (here, here!) Denmark. > I am sure that if you would dig for a while, Danish government would > be exposed to be as 'hideus' as Israel. [Piotr Berman] I agree with your point but I distinguish between economic and military trade. I have focused on Israel because it is Israel which has suffered so much from terrorism so one would expect Israel to be *specially* interested in curbing terrorism. Farzin Mokhtarian