gottlieb@alliant.UUCP (Bob Gottlieb) (03/11/86)
In article <1016@whuxl.UUCP> orb@whuxl.UUCP (SEVENER) writes: > Just last week one of Reagan's lies was >captured graphically on videotape, making it very hard to refute. >Here are excerpts from the report in the Newark Star-Ledger: > > "Sons of bitches" said Reagan after reporters had been ushered > from the Cabinet Room where the President had been questioned > about the political turmoil in the Philipines. > Later, as he left for his Camp David retreat in Maryland, > Reagan was asked by reporters whom he had in mind, and he > replied, "I thought it was one of you saying it about us." > When that was greeted by a good-natured chorus of "No", the > President, smiling, said, "It wasn't me." > Aides said Reagan did not recall making the remark nor hearing > anyone else make it. > But the phrase was clearly audible on the sound system and > United Press International verified that it was Reagan who made > the remark by viewing a tape made available by CBS, the only > network that had a camera on Reagan at the time. > ..... > Deputy White House press secretary Larry Speakes said, > "He doesn't recall saying it. If he said it," Speakes joked, > "he said, 'It's sunny and you're rich'. > >It is typical that Reagan simply "doesn't remember" making such >a remark 5 minutes after it happened, and smiles as he lies >about having said it. >Sad to say I can only conclude the man is a pathological liar. > > tim sevener whuxn!orb I certainly agree with the facts, but disagree with the conclusion. Ronald Reagan has always been a very loyal individual - loyal to his friends. Marcos is/was a good friend of Reagan's. While I strongly believe that his taste in friends is terrible (let's not forget Rev. Falwell, for one), I would not call him a "pathological" liar. He was forced to betray a personal friend. He's pissed (He's also stupid, and a lousy politician in this case). But he is not a pathological liar - merely :-) an intermittant one. As Barry Shein said - how come when Reagan says one thing and does another, I get angry at both? -- -- Bob Gottlieb UUCP: ...!linus!alliant!gottlieb Mail: Alliant Computer Systems Corp, 42 Nagog Park, Acton, MA 01720 Phone: (617) 263-9110 Foot: "You can't get there from here". --------------------------------------------------------------------------- "I don't know what I'm doing, and Alliant isn't responsible either, so there!"
krista@iham1.UUCP (K.J.Anderson) (03/26/86)
<oh,godican'tbelievei'mpostingthisi'llgetflamedtheni'llcryoh,dear> >I honestly believe that Sevener's quite obsessive hatred of Reagan >to the point that he is UNABLE to see that Reagan is like most other >politicians... Ever since 1980, I've been appalled that most people are UNABLE to see that Reagan is NOT like other politicians. "Skilled, manipulative, controlled liars" do NOT deny their lies when they're busted; they make up new lies to explain the exposed ones. And yet, just recently, the White House denied that Reagan called the press "sons of bitches" even though the press has this on tape! This denial of the truth is not skilled or controlled; it is complacent in its opinion of the public as a gullible, unquestioning mass. It is a despicable attempt to twist people's perception of reality. It also makes SOME of us doubt anything we hear coming from the White House. I admit I have an obsessive hatred of Reagan. He represents the worst kind of oppression - the oppression of thought. The fact that he is in office demonstrates the success of 1984-like mind control. When the election returns were coming in in 1980, there was a news story about creationism. A boy was complaining that his school was teaching evolution. A reporter asked him, "Do you believe that man evolved from apes?" I thought to myself, "Do you believe Ronald Reagan is president?" :-) Think about it. Right on, Tim! ihnp4!iham1!krista P.S. It's embarrassing to admit to being from Illinois. I confess I did not vote. Now we've got Larouchian candidates. From now on I'd better pay more attention to state and local events. I hate politics, but these crazy or unscrupulous people will never let us rest. -- ihnp4!iham1!krista oh,i'llgetflamedtheni'llcryoh,dear