brian@radio.astro.utoronto.ca (Brian Glendenning) (10/16/88)
Has anybody else noticed that U. Texas articles are making it into ut.general, e.g. message-id <3580@cs.utexas.eds> (which also got here with a mangled header 2 other times). These articles jumped here by being crossposted. Is there anything to be done? Or are we forever twinned to our American cousins? (Would excluding these articles contravene the free trade agreement?) -- Brian Glendenning - Radio astronomy, University of Toronto brian@radio.astro.utoronto.ca uunet!utai!radio!brian glendenn@utorphys.bitnet
henry@utzoo.uucp (Henry Spencer) (10/16/88)
In article <1988Oct15.202940.7959@radio.astro.utoronto.ca> brian@radio.astro.toronto.edu (Brian Glendenning) writes: >Has anybody else noticed that U. Texas articles are making it into ut.general >... These articles jumped here by being crossposted. > >Is there anything to be done? ... Geoff and I have thought about this at considerable length. It is really hard to do anything useful about it, especially if you believe (as we do) that changing headers is a vile perversion. -- The meek can have the Earth; | Henry Spencer at U of Toronto Zoology the rest of us have other plans.|uunet!attcan!utzoo!henry henry@zoo.toronto.edu
dave@lsuc.uucp (David Sherman) (10/16/88)
henry@utzoo.uucp (Henry Spencer) writes: >>Has anybody else noticed that U. Texas articles are making it into ut.general >>... These articles jumped here by being crossposted. > >Geoff and I have thought about this at considerable length. It is really >hard to do anything useful about it, especially if you believe (as we do) >that changing headers is a vile perversion. Speaking as an, um, outsider (OK, don't ask why I get this group at lsuc:-), may I suggest the solution is in the newsgroup name? It would cause a bit of internal upheaval, but surely not too much. Everyone knows UofT (see Subject line hereof) for what it is; why not create groups uoft.general and friends, arrange for a changeover and then rmgroup ut.*? David Sherman -- { uunet!attcan att pyramid!utai utzoo } !lsuc!dave
migod@csri.toronto.edu (Mike Godfrey) (10/16/88)
In article <1988Oct15.202940.7959@radio.astro.utoronto.ca> brian@radio.astro.toronto.edu (Brian Glendenning) writes: >Has anybody else noticed that U. Texas articles are making it into ut.general? I mailed to one of the UTexas posters (his name was Dan Dvorak) pointing this out. He was amused and promised to take it up with the Unix people at his end. -- Mike Godfrey Department of Computer Science "I am not a free man... University of Toronto but I'm reasonable!" #6. migod@csri.toronto.edu
flaps@dgp.toronto.edu (Alan J Rosenthal) (10/17/88)
dave@lsuc.uucp (David Sherman) writes: >Everyone knows UofT (see Subject line hereof) for what it is; why >not create groups uoft.general and friends, arrange for a changeover >and then rmgroup ut.*? well, possibly university of texas is uoft as well. unless it isn't, having two names which are different but whose structure means the same is a bad idea. perhaps utor.general?
hogg@db.toronto.edu (John Hogg) (10/17/88)
In article <8810170518.AA09866@explorer.dgp.toronto.edu> flaps@dgp.toronto.edu (Alan J Rosenthal) writes: > >dave@lsuc.uucp (David Sherman) writes: >>Everyone knows UofT (see Subject line hereof) for what it is; why >>not create groups uoft.general and friends, arrange for a changeover >>and then rmgroup ut.*? > >well, possibly university of texas is uoft as well. unless it isn't, having >two names which are different but whose structure means the same is a bad idea. >perhaps utor.general? Having worked with somebody at U. of Texas in past, I can assure you that they call themselves UT. We joked about this distinction. If we rename ourselves uoft, we will certainly be clear of them. Of course, we may then collide with some other institution, such as the University of Tuktoyaktuk. (No, *don't* bother following up on that.) On the other hand, how much do we care? There aren't many foreign postings that show up here. I can only remember one other, about a free cat to a good home, and that should have been restricted in distribution anyway. It hasn't been clear to me that the entire U. of Texas cares about Next either, so the current case is perhaps more a poster error than a system bug as well. -- John Hogg | hogg@csri.toronto.{edu,cdn} Computer Systems Research Institute| uunet!csri.toronto.edu!hogg University of Toronto | hogg%csri.toronto.edu@relay.cs.net (arpa) | hogg@csri.utoronto (bitnet)
lamy@ai.utoronto.ca (Jean-Francois Lamy) (10/17/88)
University of Texas is UT, as in UT Austin. Back when we were utai I remember people at UT answering requests for software with "well, since you're on campus, I might as well give it to you on a diskette" :-). Similar confusion arose in the canadian domain naming scheme, with U de Montreal and U de Moncton both being called UdeM in their communities. Maybe using utoronto would be wiser? Jean-Francois Lamy lamy@ai.utoronto.ca, uunet!ai.utoronto.ca!lamy AI Group, Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto, Canada M5S 1A4
brian@radio.astro.utoronto.ca (Brian Glendenning) (10/18/88)
In article <8810171428.AA10349@rumba.db.toronto.edu>, hogg@db (John Hogg) writes: >On the other hand, how much do we care? There aren't many foreign >postings that show up here. I can only remember one other, [...] As the perpetrator of this discussion I have to agree that it probably isn't worth the bother to rmgroup/newgroup all u*t groups. I was wondering if there was some way to filter them out at the campus entry points. I couldn't think of any, but I'm an acolyte, not a guru. Of course if someone like MES gets an account at UT that might be a different story. [Maybe I should crosspost this to comp.lang.c so our friends in Texas can join the discussion. :-) ] -- Brian Glendenning - Radio astronomy, University of Toronto brian@radio.astro.utoronto.ca uunet!utai!radio!brian glendenn@utorphys.bitnet
dave@lsuc.uucp (David Sherman) (10/18/88)
brian@radio.astro.utoronto.ca (Brian Glendenning) writes: > [Maybe I should crosspost this to comp.lang.c so our friends in Texas can > join the discussion. :-) ] Heh heh. I'm gonna set up my sys file to forward ut.* to ut-sally, just to make life fun for everybody :-) David Sherman -- { uunet!attcan att pyramid!utai utzoo } !lsuc!dave
henry@utzoo.uucp (Henry Spencer) (10/21/88)
In article <1988Oct17.234916.19842@radio.astro.utoronto.ca> brian@radio.astro.utoronto.ca (Brian Glendenning) writes: >... I was wondering if there >was some way to filter them out at the campus entry points... It's not theoretically impossible, but it's very tricky in practice. Especially if you want it to administer itself, bearing in mind that there is no central entity keeping track of local network topology. (What are the entry points? How do they tell where an article came from? Just what *are* the boundaries of the campus? What about an article which goes out and comes back in? And so on...) -- The meek can have the Earth; | Henry Spencer at U of Toronto Zoology the rest of us have other plans.|uunet!attcan!utzoo!henry henry@zoo.toronto.edu
henry@utzoo.uucp (Henry Spencer) (10/21/88)
In article <88Oct17.090831edt.472@neat.ai.toronto.edu> lamy@ai.utoronto.ca (Jean-Francois Lamy) writes: >University of Texas is UT, as in UT Austin. Back when we were utai I remember >people at UT answering requests for software with "well, since you're on >campus, I might as well give it to you on a diskette" :-). Fortunately, some of us were alert to this problem when it first started, and with the lamentable historical exception of utastro, all the Texas sites are "ut-xxxx" and all the Toronto sites are "utxxxx". That helps a little. -- The meek can have the Earth; | Henry Spencer at U of Toronto Zoology the rest of us have other plans.|uunet!attcan!utzoo!henry henry@zoo.toronto.edu