dooley@helios.toronto.edu (Kevin Dooley) (03/11/89)
In article <89Mar9.132354est.9394@ois.db.toronto.edu> jdd@db.toronto.edu ("John D. DiMarco") writes: a load of rubbish.
John, John, John,
If your knee jerked any harder it would be imbedded in your chest.
Slow down. Think for a second. Were the union's demands really so
unreasonable? In the long run I believe that all the students at this
university benefitted from the strike. It is unfortunate that all we
got on class size was a committee to look into the problem. It should
be pointed out, though, that before the TAs went on strike, nobody has
ever taken a strong stand on this issue. Are we so evil because we
want to ensure that you get the best quality education possible? The
strike was very short. It forced the administration to negotiate.
Perhaps one or two of your arguments might have the faintest ring
of plausibility if the strike had lasted through the exam period, but
in fact, it did not.
On a personal note, though. John, are you just anti-union, or are
you opposed to quality education? It isn't clear from your postings.
Kevin Dooley, CUEW local 2 steward for Physics and Astronomy
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U. of Toronto INTERNET - dooley@helios.physics.utoronto.cajdd@db.toronto.edu ("John D. DiMarco") (03/13/89)
In article <741@helios.toronto.edu> dooley@helios.UUCP (Kevin Dooley) writes: >In article <89Mar9.132354est.9394@ois.db.toronto.edu> jdd@db.toronto.edu ("John D. DiMarco") writes: a load of rubbish. > >John, John, John, > If your knee jerked any harder it would be imbedded in your chest. >Slow down. Think for a second. Were the union's demands really so >unreasonable? Stop patronizing me. Yes, I think the union's demands were unreasonable; I've listed my objections in earlier postings. > In the long run I believe that all the students at this >university benefitted from the strike. It is unfortunate that all we >got on class size was a committee to look into the problem. It should >be pointed out, though, that before the TAs went on strike, nobody has >ever taken a strong stand on this issue. That's not true. The problem has been recognized for years, and has been brought up in numerous Underfunding protests. In fact, the installation of the ACCESS course selection programme is primarily an attempt to control class sizes. But large class sizes are not the University's fault. Why, then, is CUEW-2 attacking the University on this issue? > Are we so evil because we >want to ensure that you get the best quality education possible? The point I'm making is that you're not attempting to ensure we get the best quality education possible at all. In fact, the willingness of the Union to engage in this strike is an indication that you care so little about 'quality education' that you are willing to hold undergraduates 'for ransom' against the University. >The strike was very short. It forced the administration to negotiate. >Perhaps one or two of your arguments might have the faintest ring >of plausibility if the strike had lasted through the exam period, but >in fact, it did not. Thank God the strike was short! Of course it forced the administration to negotiate. Had the strike continued, the damage to undergraduate education might have become irreversible. Because the administration has a committment to provide such education, they negotiated rather than renege on their committment. > On a personal note, though. John, are you just anti-union, or are >you opposed to quality education? It isn't clear from your postings. Is what I am saying so unclear? I'm not anti-union, I'm simply anti-strike- in-this-case. I'm not opposed to quality education, I claim your union is opposed to quality education. If this question is an example of your understanding of my news postings, perhaps I am wasting my time. > >Kevin Dooley, CUEW local 2 steward for Physics and Astronomy > >-- > Kevin Dooley UUCP - {uunet,pyramid}!utai!helios.physics!dooley > Physics Dept. BITNET - dooley@utorphys > U. of Toronto INTERNET - dooley@helios.physics.utoronto.ca John DiMarco, Undergraduate, graduating in May. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- John DiMarco * We will live in the light * jdd%db.toronto.edu@relay.cs.net jdd@db.toronto.edu jdd@db.utoronto.ca jdd.db.toronto.cdn {uunet!utai,watmath!utai,decvax!utcsri,decwrl!utcsri}!db!jdd jdd.utcsri.UUCP --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
heath@utpsych.toronto.edu (Todd Heatherton) (03/14/89)
> On a personal note, though. John, are you just anti-union, or are >you opposed to quality education? It isn't clear from your postings. > >Kevin Dooley, CUEW local 2 steward for Physics and Astronomy Isn't this just a bit juvenile Kevin or is it a little post-settlement cockiness? I can't tell from your posting :-)
dooley@helios.toronto.edu (Kevin Dooley) (03/14/89)
In article <89Mar13.104507est.9391@ois.db.toronto.edu> jdd@db.toronto.edu ("John D. DiMarco") writes: >The point I'm making is that you're not attempting to ensure we get the best >quality education possible at all. In fact, the willingness of the Union to >engage in this strike is an indication that you care so little about >'quality education' that you are willing to hold undergraduates 'for ransom' >against the University. Ok, here we have the point that I have been trying to make all along. The university knew that we were serious. They had been warned that we intended to strike over these issues. They refused to bargain for 7 months. They presented us with an insulting 'final offer' and expected us to run away with our tails between our legs. It was the complete irresponsibility on the part of the administration that caused the strike. If they had EVER attempted to bargain in good faith, none of it would ever had happened. There is no way that you can look at this strike and legitimately say that CUEW was malicious. It is completely ludicrous. We care so much about quality education that we are willing to put it all on the line, the picket line, to ensure that some semblance of quality is maintained. You were indeed being held ransom, but it was by the administration. It was their deliberate negligence which caused the strike. Kevin Dooley, CUEW local 2 steward for Physics and Astronomy -- Kevin Dooley UUCP - {uunet,pyramid}!utai!helios.physics!dooley Physics Dept. BITNET - dooley@utorphys U. of Toronto INTERNET - dooley@helios.physics.utoronto.ca