[net.rec.ski] Orphaned Response

bsouther@uok.UUCP (10/28/83)

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uok!bsouther    Oct 26 00:20:00 1983

As a new skiier, I have very little experience to draw upon as far as
where the best ski areas are, but still I thought I'd toss in my two
cents' worth here....

I'm not too sure how good the cross-country prospects are there, but
as far as a variety of good downhill slopes ranging from ultra-boring
to mega-awesome I would highly suggest Mt. Crested Butte in the
Gunnison Nat'l Forest Reserve (Southwest Colorado).  They have eight
lifts leading to literally dozens of trails of varying difficulty.
The longest run ("Treasury", a blue) is 1.9 miles long and starts off
in a big, beautiful bowl which is appropriately named "Paradise".
I could go on all day talking about the fantastic time I had there,
but I won't.

Crested Butte *does* have a large ski touring area, but I didn't
make it over there so I don't know what it's like.  Still, even if
theyy don't offer the cross-country that you want, I can't over-
emphasize that EVERYONE should at some time or another visit the
Mt. Crested Butte area (I went in early April, if that matters any).

	Hope this helps you in finding a good place...also, I'd
	like to know what other people think of the Crested Butte
	area -- like I said, I am a new skiier, and haven't been
	around much....

		Brad Southers,
		University of Oklahoma
		uok!bsouther

mrcrothe@uok.UUCP (11/03/83)

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uok!mrcrothe    Nov  1 18:57:00 1983

Well Joanna, the first place that comes to 
mind is Lake Eldora.  This place offers exellent
cross-country skiing and beginner slopes.
The only problem is that it does not offer
very challenging slopes for the experts.
Another good place is Snow Mountain Ranch
which offers easy access to some of the best
cross-country areas in the state and the same 
facillities for every type of a downhill skier
within a reasonable distance from the campgrounds.
These two areas would probably be the best you
could find in the state.  If you need any further
info on these areas, just write back because 
I have been to both places numerous times.


               Mike Crothers 
               Univ. of Okla.

paul@hpfclk.UUCP (01/19/84)

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hpfclk!paul    Nov 11 08:48:00 1983



   Info on Snowmass

I have skiied Snowmass once at Easter 2 years ago. I really enjoyed it.
It is a large area with lots of long cruiser blue runs and some neat
tree skiing. It has, I believe, only a couple of "black" runs; they are
not the same black as, say, a black run, at Aspen Mountain. It will take
you 2 days to ski the whole place. It also has some gorgeous views of the
Aspen Snowmass wilderness areas; I belive you can see the Maroon Bell from
the top of the area.

Go into Aspen for some great nightlife; it's only about 5 miles or so and
DEFINITELY worth the trip (buses run between Aspen and Snowmass quite
regularly).

If you get tired of Snowmass skiing, go either to Aspen Mountain or
Aspen Highlands for some challenging terrain. Aspen Mountain (referred
to as Ajax locally) is definitely the place to go for good steep
bump skiing. Snowmass has very little in the way of bumps - it's
mainly a resort for the out of state recreational skiier.


Hope you have a great time!!!


	   -Paul "Face Plant" Beiser-

	   {csu-cs,hplabs,hpfcla}!paul
	

gum@hpfclh.UUCP (gum) (10/14/84)

Well gosh, it would seem that you heard right.  The snow here is Colorado
-- and in Utah -- is much nicer then in Tahoe....especially if you love
powder.  The snow at Heavenly was somewhat packed and icy on most of
the lower slopes when I went there but then that was spring skiing for
you.  Try out Co., you prob. will not regret it.  Oh yes, the better slopes
tend to have higher priced condos nearby but that's life.

tcculpep@uok.UUCP (02/14/85)

/***** uok:net.rec.ski / hao!woods /  7:41 pm  Jan 11, 1985 */

   IT'S SNOWING IN COLORADO!

	     Colorado Ski Report for Friday, Jan 11, 1985

|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
| Sat  | Sun  | Mon  | Tue  | Wed  | Thu  |NS |		  Fri 01/11	      |
|01/05 |01/06 |01/07 |01/08 |01/09 |01/10 |PST|				      |
|BAS NS|BAS NS|BAS NS|BAS NS|BAS NS|BAS NS|WK |	  SKI AREA     BAS NS CONDTNS |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
| 50  0| 49  0| 49  0| 50  1| 52  1| 52  1|  3|Arapahoe Basin | 52  0 P/PP    |
| 40  0| 39  0| 38  0| 38  0| 35  2| 36  2|  4|Aspen Highlands| 36  0 PP      |
| 33  0| 33  0| 33  0| 32  0| 33  2| 34  3|  6|Aspen Mountain | 36  1 PP      |
| 36  0| 36  0| 35  0| 36  1| 38  2| 42  6| 10|Beaver Creek   | 42  1 P/PP    |
| 51  0| 51  0|	     |	    | 52  3| 52  3|  8|Berthoud Pass  | 53  2 P/PP    |
| 32  0| 32  0| 31  0| 32  1| 32  1| 33  1|  3|Breckenridge   | 32  0 PP      |
|     0|     0|	    0|	   1|	  0|	 0|  1|Ski Broadmoor  |	    0 P/PP    |
| 38  0| 38  0| 37  0| 37  0| 38  1| 38  2|  3|Buttermilk     | 38  0 PP      |
| 30  0| 26  0|	    0|	   0|	  3|	 0|  3|Conquistador   |	    0 P/PP    |
| 35  0|      | 35  0| 37  2| 39  4| 39  1|  7|Ski Cooper     | 39  0 P/PP    |
|      |      | 32  0| 32  1| 32  0| 33  3|  4|Copper Mountain| 35  0 PP      |
| 43  0| 43  0| 42  0| 43  2| 45  5| 44  0|  7|Crested Butte  | 43  0 PP      |
|     0|     0|	    0|	   0|	   |	 0|  0|Cuchara Valley |	    0 HP      |
| 22  0| 22  0|	    0|	   0|	  3|	 1|  5|Eldora	      |	    1 PP      |
| 22  0| 20  0| 20  0| 20  1| 24  4|	  |  5|Ski Estes Park | 24  0 P/PP    |
| 29  0| 29  0| 29  0| 29  0| 30  1| 32  2|  3|Ski Idlewild   | 32  0 PP      |
| 29  0| 29  0| 29  0| 30  2| 32  1| 32  0|  3|Keystone	      | 32  0 PP      |
| 38  0| 38  0| 38  0| 40  4| 42  3| 42  1|  9|Loveland Basin | 41  1 P/PP    |
| 43  0| 42  0| 42  0| 42  1| 44  3| 48  4| 13|Mary Jane      | 50  5 P/PP    |
|      | 50  0| 50  0| 51  2| 53  4| 54  2|  9|Monarch	      | 54  1 P/PP    |
| 32  0| 32  0| 32  0| 34  2| 35  1| 36  1|  4|North Peak     | 36  0 PP      |
| 40  0| 39  0| 39  0| 44  8| 47 14| 47  0| 23|Powderhorn     | 47  1 P/PP    |
| 64  0| 64  0| 64  0| 66  3| 70  8| 69  0| 11|Purgatory      | 68  0 P/PP    |
|     0|      |	    0|	    |	  4|	 3|  9|Sharktooth     |	    2 P/PP    |
|     0|     0|	    0|	   2|	  3|	 2|  7|Silver Creek   |	    0 HP      |
| 50  0| 49  0| 48  0| 47  0| 47  1| 47  1|  2|Snowmass	      | 47  0 PP      |
| 50  0| 49  0| 46  0| 47  3| 54 10| 57  6| 23|Steamboat      | 59  4 P/PP    |
| 39  0| 38  0| 37  0| 39  2| 42  4| 38  0|  6|Sunlight	      | 38  0 P/PP    |
| 48  0| 48  0| 48  0| 46  0| 50  6| 55  6| 12|Telluride      | 55  0 P/PP    |
| 34  0| 35  0| 33  0| 33  1| 33  2| 44  6| 10|Vail	      | 40  1 PP      |
| 30  0| 30  0| 30  0| 30  0| 33  4| 35  3|  9|Winter Park    | 35  2 P/PP    |
| 92  0| 91  0| 90  0| 90  1|102 13|100  0| 14|Wolf Creek     | 99  0 P/PP    |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|BAS NS|BAS NS|BAS NS|BAS NS|BAS NS|BAS NS|NS |	  SKI AREA     BAS NS CONDTNS |
|01/05 |01/06 |01/07 |01/08 |01/09 |01/10 |PST|				      |
| Sat  | Sun  | Mon  | Tue  | Wed  | Thu  |WK |		  Fri 01/11	      |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
  Report Key:
     BAS - Base (unpacked depth) in inches at midway
     NS - New snow (inches) during the past 24 hrs.
     NS PST WK - Total new snow for report date plus 6 previous days
     CONDTNS - Snow conditions, abbreviated as follows:
	  P - Powder	      SP - Spring Conditions   OP - Opening date
	 PP - Packed powder  CRN - Corn snow	       CL - Closing date
	 HP - Hard packed   F/GR - Frozen granular    CLT - Closed today
	 WP - Wind packed      V - Variable	       NR - No report
	n%T - % terrain open  nL - No. lifts open      nR - No. runs open

  This report is compiled daily by the Ski Club at the National Center for
  Atmospheric Research in Boulder, CO, from data gathered by Colorado Ski
  Country, USA, during the morning of the report date.  The report is usually
  updated by mid-morning.  For further information on the report database,
  contact Rick Wolski at (303) 497-1330.

  Telephone Recordings:
     837-9907  Colorado Ski Country downhill ski report
     573-SNOW  Eastern Mountain Sports X-Country ski report
     639-1515  National Weather Service Travel and Recreation forecast
     639-1111  Colorado State Patrol road conditions report (west of I-25)
     236-9435  U.S. Forest Service avalanche and significant weather report
-- 
{ucbvax!hplabs | allegra!nbires | decvax!stcvax | harpo!seismo | ihnp4!stcvax}
       		        !hao!woods
   
     "...once in a while you can get shown the light
         in the strangest of places if you look at it right..."
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tcculpep@uok.UUCP (02/14/85)

	*** when will these reports be updated on the net?
						tc ***

tcculpep@uok.UUCP (02/14/85)

/***** uok:net.rec.ski / tcculpep /  5:09 pm  Feb 13, 1985 */
/***** uok:net.rec.ski / hao!woods /  7:41 pm  Jan 11, 1985 */

   IT'S SNOWING IN COLORADO!

	     Colorado Ski Report for Friday, Jan 11, 1985

|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
| Sat  | Sun  | Mon  | Tue  | Wed  | Thu  |NS |		  Fri 01/11	      |
|01/05 |01/06 |01/07 |01/08 |01/09 |01/10 |PST|				      |
|BAS NS|BAS NS|BAS NS|BAS NS|BAS NS|BAS NS|WK |	  SKI AREA     BAS NS CONDTNS |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
| 50  0| 49  0| 49  0| 50  1| 52  1| 52  1|  3|Arapahoe Basin | 52  0 P/PP    |
| 40  0| 39  0| 38  0| 38  0| 35  2| 36  2|  4|Aspen Highlands| 36  0 PP      |
| 33  0| 33  0| 33  0| 32  0| 33  2| 34  3|  6|Aspen Mountain | 36  1 PP      |
| 36  0| 36  0| 35  0| 36  1| 38  2| 42  6| 10|Beaver Creek   | 42  1 P/PP    |
| 51  0| 51  0|	     |	    | 52  3| 52  3|  8|Berthoud Pass  | 53  2 P/PP    |
| 32  0| 32  0| 31  0| 32  1| 32  1| 33  1|  3|Breckenridge   | 32  0 PP      |
|     0|     0|	    0|	   1|	  0|	 0|  1|Ski Broadmoor  |	    0 P/PP    |
| 38  0| 38  0| 37  0| 37  0| 38  1| 38  2|  3|Buttermilk     | 38  0 PP      |
| 30  0| 26  0|	    0|	   0|	  3|	 0|  3|Conquistador   |	    0 P/PP    |
| 35  0|      | 35  0| 37  2| 39  4| 39  1|  7|Ski Cooper     | 39  0 P/PP    |
|      |      | 32  0| 32  1| 32  0| 33  3|  4|Copper Mountain| 35  0 PP      |
| 43  0| 43  0| 42  0| 43  2| 45  5| 44  0|  7|Crested Butte  | 43  0 PP      |
|     0|     0|	    0|	   0|	   |	 0|  0|Cuchara Valley |	    0 HP      |
| 22  0| 22  0|	    0|	   0|	  3|	 1|  5|Eldora	      |	    1 PP      |
| 22  0| 20  0| 20  0| 20  1| 24  4|	  |  5|Ski Estes Park | 24  0 P/PP    |
| 29  0| 29  0| 29  0| 29  0| 30  1| 32  2|  3|Ski Idlewild   | 32  0 PP      |
| 29  0| 29  0| 29  0| 30  2| 32  1| 32  0|  3|Keystone	      | 32  0 PP      |
| 38  0| 38  0| 38  0| 40  4| 42  3| 42  1|  9|Loveland Basin | 41  1 P/PP    |
| 43  0| 42  0| 42  0| 42  1| 44  3| 48  4| 13|Mary Jane      | 50  5 P/PP    |
|      | 50  0| 50  0| 51  2| 53  4| 54  2|  9|Monarch	      | 54  1 P/PP    |
| 32  0| 32  0| 32  0| 34  2| 35  1| 36  1|  4|North Peak     | 36  0 PP      |
| 40  0| 39  0| 39  0| 44  8| 47 14| 47  0| 23|Powderhorn     | 47  1 P/PP    |
| 64  0| 64  0| 64  0| 66  3| 70  8| 69  0| 11|Purgatory      | 68  0 P/PP    |
|     0|      |	    0|	    |	  4|	 3|  9|Sharktooth     |	    2 P/PP    |
|     0|     0|	    0|	   2|	  3|	 2|  7|Silver Creek   |	    0 HP      |
| 50  0| 49  0| 48  0| 47  0| 47  1| 47  1|  2|Snowmass	      | 47  0 PP      |
| 50  0| 49  0| 46  0| 47  3| 54 10| 57  6| 23|Steamboat      | 59  4 P/PP    |
| 39  0| 38  0| 37  0| 39  2| 42  4| 38  0|  6|Sunlight	      | 38  0 P/PP    |
| 48  0| 48  0| 48  0| 46  0| 50  6| 55  6| 12|Telluride      | 55  0 P/PP    |
| 34  0| 35  0| 33  0| 33  1| 33  2| 44  6| 10|Vail	      | 40  1 PP      |
| 30  0| 30  0| 30  0| 30  0| 33  4| 35  3|  9|Winter Park    | 35  2 P/PP    |
| 92  0| 91  0| 90  0| 90  1|102 13|100  0| 14|Wolf Creek     | 99  0 P/PP    |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|BAS NS|BAS NS|BAS NS|BAS NS|BAS NS|BAS NS|NS |	  SKI AREA     BAS NS CONDTNS |
|01/05 |01/06 |01/07 |01/08 |01/09 |01/10 |PST|				      |
| Sat  | Sun  | Mon  | Tue  | Wed  | Thu  |WK |		  Fri 01/11	      |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
  Report Key:
     BAS - Base (unpacked depth) in inches at midway
     NS - New snow (inches) during the past 24 hrs.
     NS PST WK - Total new snow for report date plus 6 previous days
     CONDTNS - Snow conditions, abbreviated as follows:
	  P - Powder	      SP - Spring Conditions   OP - Opening date
	 PP - Packed powder  CRN - Corn snow	       CL - Closing date
	 HP - Hard packed   F/GR - Frozen granular    CLT - Closed today
	 WP - Wind packed      V - Variable	       NR - No report
	n%T - % terrain open  nL - No. lifts open      nR - No. runs open

  This report is compiled daily by the Ski Club at the National Center for
  Atmospheric Research in Boulder, CO, from data gathered by Colorado Ski
  Country, USA, during the morning of the report date.  The report is usually
  updated by mid-morning.  For further information on the report database,
  contact Rick Wolski at (303) 497-1330.

  Telephone Recordings:
     837-9907  Colorado Ski Country downhill ski report
     573-SNOW  Eastern Mountain Sports X-Country ski report
     639-1515  National Weather Service Travel and Recreation forecast
     639-1111  Colorado State Patrol road conditions report (west of I-25)
     236-9435  U.S. Forest Service avalanche and significant weather report
-- 
{ucbvax!hplabs | allegra!nbires | decvax!stcvax | harpo!seismo | ihnp4!stcvax}
       		        !hao!woods
   
     "...once in a while you can get shown the light
         in the strangest of places if you look at it right..."
/* ---------- */
/* ---------- */

ajs@hpfcla.UUCP (ajs) (08/14/85)

Re: two questions:

> Is there Snow in the U.S. Yet????

Last weekend some places in Colorado got up to six inches from one cold
front.  I think Rocky Mountain National Park, and Berthoud Pass, got some.
I'm sure it melted off fast.  Skiing is still a couple of months away...

(It's not unusual here to be pelted by corn snow when hiking above
12000', even in August.)

> Can anyone recommend exercises (Other than just general exercises .i.e
> jogging) to prepare for downhill skiing this winter??? 

A sports physician, speaking on preventing injuries, recommended one
specific exercise.  Put a cinder block (for starters, a soft crushable
shoebox) on the floor, and hop back and forth, side to side, over it.
He said you'd be doing well if you could keep it up for two (?) minutes.
Higher is better too, as you improve.  This exercise is supposed to be
one of the few with high "correlation" to skiing.

Oh yes, another one he recommended is: back to a wall, slide down, bend
knees, until thighs are horizontal, and hold.  Repeat.  Something like
that.  (Naturally, both of these are painful...)

Alan Silverstein, Hewlett-Packard Fort Collins Systems Division, Colorado
{ihnp4 | hplabs}!hpfcla!ajs, 303-226-3800 x3053, N 40 31'31" W 105 00'43"

paul@hpfcla.UUCP (paul) (08/16/85)

Last Monday (Aug 12), I believe, Breckenridge CO reported an inch of new snow.
This, of course, on top of a base of Columbine and Indian Paintbrush.

paul beiser
HP Ft. Collins CO

paul@hpfcla.UUCP (paul) (08/16/85)

I have  found that  doing exercises to build up  sport-specific  muscles
*extremely* boring (especially the "hop over this 10 times" variety).  I
feel  the  most  "fun"  way  to  develop   muscles   for  a   particular
not-in-season-sport  is to become  involved in a sport  (either  team or
individual)  in which the  muscles  you want to develop are used.  As as
example, I find that basketabll is a good all-around muscle  conditioner
(although not highly aerobic in the classical sense). Bicycling is another
sport that will help strengthen the skiing muscles in the legs.

Another  alternative  is exercise  classes,  especially  ones with tough
floor  exercises.  It's always better  suffering  with a group of people
than by yourself.


Paul Beiser
Hewlett-Packard   
Ft. Collins, Colorado
 ...{ihnp4,hplabs}!hpfcla!paul

bill@hpfcla.UUCP (09/11/85)

[edible line]

Here's a few that I gleaned from "Skiing" magazine, and from a health
magazine my wife brought home from the office where she works:

   * the "back-against-the-wall" exercise mentioned several times
     already.  Once you have mastered (i.e. feel reasonably
     comfortable doing) 3 reps of 1.5 - 2.0 minutes against the
     wall, then cross one leg over the other, and reduce the time
     back to one minute for concentrated work on each leg.  (Assuming
     20 seconds rest between each rep).

   * the "jump-over-the-cinder-block" exercise - also previously
     mentioned.  2 minutes of hopping (high and fast) is the goal
     for each rep you do.

   * along the same lines as the second one above, use some kind of
     tape to form a hexagon with a 36-inch diameter (use a circle
     with a 36-inch diameter as a guide, then tape a hexagon over
     it).  Stand in the middle of the hexagon, and quickly hop from
     the center over one side of the hexagon and back to the center
     again.  Continue around the hexagon, hopping over each side
     and back to the middle before continuing to the next side.
     Again, hop high and fast.  The goal is two minutes per rep,
     but also CONTROL and ACCURACY.  This develops your ability to
     turn/maneuver in non-standard angles.

   * stand at one end of a fairly long room; face the wall.  Get down
     into the "pike" position (squat down until your thighs are parallel
     with the ground; lean out over your legs until your chest touchs
     the tops of your legs; stretch your arms out in front of you -
     good luck!!).  Now walk backwards (duck-walk style) the length of
     the room, taking care to remain in the pike position.  When you
     reach the other end of the room, duck-walk forwards back to your
     starting point.  One rep.  For additional balance work, stretch
     your arms straight out from your sides, and then straight out
     behind you, as you repeat the exercise.

   * lunges - stand with feet together and hands on hips.  Pick a leg -
     any leg.  In a slow, smooth, continuous motion, step forward with the
     chosen leg (a long step - about 2.5 - 3 feet), bend both legs until
     the thigh of the front leg is parallel to the floor, and the knee of
     the rear leg is touching the floor, and return to your initial,
     feet-together stance.  Keep hands on hips throughout.

          O          O           O
          |          |           |
          |   -->    |    -->    |__     --> back to position 1
          |         / \          |  |
          |        /   \       __|  |

          1          2           3

     Be sure the motion is smooth and controlled, using only your legs to
     lower and raise yourself.

I get started on these at least 3 months before I anticipate skiing.  The
beauty of these exercises is that they can be done at home with little
equipment.  I also have a program of weight-lifting, aerobics, and
conditioning classes that I maintain throughout the year, but these
require a spa membership (or a LOT of money for equipment!).  Paul Beiser
(an earlier responder) is correct: it's MUCH better to suffer in groups!!

Bill Gates
Hewlett-Packard Corporation

rjs@hpfcla.UUCP (11/05/85)

I demoed a pair of Dynastar course (slalom) last year. The course has a
counterweight at between the shovel and the tip to dampen vibration. I
found 2 things. First the skiis love to submarine in powder. Second, at
moderate speeds (I couldn't get going as fast as I would have liked due
to relatively slow conditions on the day I demoed them) the tips would
begin to vibrate at a frequency high enough to begin producing weird
humming sounds. I was unable to feel the vibration through the skiis,
but it was very strange to hear this weird humming sound.

Bob Schneider
{ihnp4 | hplabs}!hpfcla!hpfcll!rjs

ajs@hpfcla.UUCP (11/15/85)

> I'm going there over Thanksgiving, to Steamboat.  Did I make the right
> choice?

If you get good weather and good snow (which is likely) then you made
the right choice.  Steamboat is a "destination" ski area so there's
a lot there besides the slopes, which are quite nice and enjoyable.
On the other hand the city's pretty far from anywhere else so it might
not be as crowded as, say, Winter Park or Keystone.

Be sure to take a swimsuit and check out the outdoor hotsprings pool,
it's easy to find.

Alan Silverstein