ian@utcsstat.UUCP (06/08/83)
From: Ian F. Darwin, U of Toronto Computing Services
Uucp-addr: ...decvax!utzoo!utcsrgv!utcsstat!ian
The following is a summary of what I know at present about spreadsheet
packages available on UNIX. This is a revision/summary of a query
sent out to the net. My comments are in [] brackets. Thanks to
those who responded.
It's interesting to note that there is a full order of magnitude
difference in price from the lowest (not counting the public-domain
spreadsheet) to the highest - $149 to well over $1500. I haven't
used many of these, so I can't say if there's an order of magnitude
difference in performance.
Here's my summary of the major UNIX-operant spreadsheets:
Name Supplier Cost Type of report
SC James Gosling public availability (2 reports)
VC Systems Innovation 149 Vendor report
Suncalc Stanford 950 availability
LogiPlan LogiTech 1750 press release
ViewComp UNICORP 400-800 User report
Multiplan Microsoft ? <no reports yet>
CALC-11 Computer Systems Corp $2500 <info from an advert.>
C-Calc Digitec Software $3700(VAX) <info from their brochure>
$1750(RT-11)
[------------------------------ SC ------------------------]
From decvax!microsof!uw-beaver!furuta
Do you mean spreadsheet calculators? James Gosling has one he's put
into the public domain. The name is "sc".
[Furuta included the man page, which I have edited out - this is a summary.]
From: Jim Rees <uw-beaver!jim>
James Gosling at CMU (of Unix emacs fame) has written a spreadsheet
program for Unix. It is not a commercial product, so it is probably
not as fancy as you would like, but it is in the public domain and the
source is available.
[Summary of SC: It's available (send mail to utcsstat!ian and I'll
give you the sources). It works on Vaxen. It doesn't work on PDP-11's
without minor changes. My hacked version is
also available. I run it on an 11/23 with fairly standard V7.]
[--------------------------- VC --------------------------]
From decvax!sii!wje
This is Software Innovations, Inc. We provide vc for Unix v7, sIII, 2.8bsd,
and 4.1bsd. You may reach us at decvax!ittvax!sii!wje or at (603)-883-9300.
[Software Innovations, 440 Amherst St, Nashua NH 03603, U.S.A.]
Send your USmail address if you would like more information.
Bill Ezell (wje)
>From utzoo!decvax!sii!drd
Bill Ezell didn't tell you what I think is important
about our product--it costs only $149, no matter what
kind of machine customers use it on.
-David Dick (decvax!sii!drd)
[------------------------- Suncalc ----------------------------]
From decvax!harpo!floyd!cmcl2!philabs!dal
We just got a program from Stanford called "Suncalc." As I am not familiar
with Visicalc (or other Visi-clones), I can't comment on the differences, if
any. I can say that it works (on VAX 4.1bsd); underlining is slightly buggy
on my hp2621, but this is very minor. [The normal price is $950, but
there's a trial offer (which may be limited to members of the Stanford
Computer Forum).] If you want more information, write or call:
Software Distribution Center
Office of Technology Licensing
Stanford University
105 Encina Hall
Stanford, CA 94305
(415) 497-0651
Dan Lorenzini Philips Laboratories philabs!dal (914) 945-6236
[------------------------- LogiPlan ---------------------------]
[Press release, Jan 3/83, from LogiTech Inc., 165 University Ave,
Palo Alto CA 94301, 415-326-3885. Contact: Debora Meredith.
"LogiPlan offers the user features not found on other electronic
spreadsheet packages. With LogiPlan, the user can:
- integrate into a timesharing environment [what?]
- temporarily suspend execution to access other features
of the system (the editor, for example) [shell escapes(?)]
- interface with Scribe, the text formatting system[...]
- interface with the Logitech Mouse (on any terminal with
the standard RS232-C port), the most versatile cursor-
mover yet developed;
- enlarge, with no limitation, the size of the worksheet.
- split the screen into 9 windows;
- tailor the program to suit the immediate environment;
- set precision for numbers.
In addition, LogiPlan is available in both French and Italian."
[They go on to say that LogiPlan is a descendant of SunCalc.]
"Logitech, ever on the lookout for a good thing, not only acquired
the SunCalc source code, but hired Meredith[one of the authors]
upon her graduation [from Stanford]".
"To arrange a free demonstration simply call Joy at (415)326-3885."
[If you do, please let me know how you react to it. Thanks]
[---------------------------- ViewComp --------------------------]
From decvax!harpo!duke!phs!jmk
[...] ViewComp, a program sold by Unisoft, Inc., 303 West 42nd St.
New York, NY 10036. Phone 212/307-6800. [Now called UNICORP.] Prices range
from $400 to $800, depending on the system it is to be run on (PDP-11,
Onyx, Dual, Zilog, or VAX). We have been using it for several months and
are pleased with it. The first release had several bugs, but the most
recent release has taken care of them and the company has been good
about responding to our queries.
Mailen Kootsey, Duke Univ. Physiology/Computer Science duke!phs!jmk
[Ed note: they also offer a version for the PLEXUS UNIX system.]
[-------------------- Multiplan ------------------------------]
It's available for UNIX, but I've not yet heard from anybody
who's using it. The vendor is Microsoft.
[-------------------------- CALC-11: -------------------------]
>From utzoo!decvax!harpo!npoiv!npois!cbosgd!nscs!rmas70!mork-cb!fhm
I found your "Spreadsheet Summary Vol2" very interesting. Thanks.
I am interested in getting a spreadsheet type program.
You mentioned that "SC" was in the public domain. Do you know of anyone at
Bell Labs who has a copy?
I have some more information on another spreadsheet like program.
Computer Systems Corp.
5540 Rock Hampton Court
Indianapolis IN. 46268
(317) 872-7200
has a spreadsheet type program. It is called "CALC-11" and was
described in "The DEC Professional" Vol 1 No 3, pg 6 and advertised on pg 31.
I talked to Dave Tortora of Computer Sysstems and he told me that they have
contracted with Unique Computer of Chicago to do the UNIX (TM) implementaion of
the program. Currently it runs only on DEC type terminals (VT 100, VT 52 etc).
Frank Myers, Rm 1E355, Bell Labs, 6200 East Broad Street, Columbus, Ohio
(614) 860 2232
[They advertised in Hardcopy, Jan 83, that it is available on UNIX as well
as most DEC PDP-11 oses. Price in the ad is $2500. Special features include
"File encryption, 3-D spreadsheet, access to non CALC-11 files,
Command acess by cell, row, column, block of cells or ALL, variable
individual column width, large matrix definition,... high quality
documentation with user tutorials, technically sound, reasonably priced
[the second-most expensive of the lot so far] and easy to use".]
[--------------------- C-Calc ---------------------------------------]
"State of the art... User-friendly... ON-LINE HELP..." from their
brochure. They have a no-cost 24-hour dial-up demo - phone 206-223-7356,
User CDEMO, current password FUN, autobaud 300/1200. Try it for
yourself, also online are pricing, general info, etc.
Written in C, ported to RSTS/E, RSX, VMESS, "VAX/UNIX"
(presumably 4.nBSD). "will soon be available for: RT-11, IAS, TOPS 20,
UNIX 11, CM/CMS (IBM), GCOS (Honeywell) and many more". License fee
($3700 for VAX/UNIX, VMS; 2700 for RSTS/E, RSX-11(M/Plus); RT-11 will
be $1750.) includes year's maintenance, etc. Unfortunately,
the features list is too long for my tired fingers to type in.
Max active cells 441,600, max 64 char/cell, max worksheet size
600 columns x 736 rows, max 255 labels/spreadsheet. It's big.
Contact Digitech, 14125 108th Ave NE, Kirkland WA 98033, or phone
206-821-7507, ask for literature.
[--------------------- End of Spreadsheet Summary -------------------]cfh@cca.UUCP (Christopher Herot) (06/09/83)
The summary doesn't mention one important difference among the spreadsheets: the style of terminal interface. The spreadsheets we have grown to love on microcomputers usually have a screen editor approach where one moves a cursor on the screen with single button pushes, entering and changing values at the cursor location. On Unix, this requires use of raw mode and (if at all general) termcap. Some of the unix spreadsheet programs do this. Others (such as vc) use a simpler (and ugly) approach where one enters new values by typing strings such as "r6c2: 20" to put the value 20 in row 6, column 2. If spreadsheet programs had started this way they never would have caught on. For a while Human Computing Resources (HCR) in Toronto was offering Multiplan. According to their president, they withdrew it from the market due to a lack of cooperation and support from Microsoft. (They couldn't get the source code, among other things.) If someone knows of a Unix spreadsheet that ran under 4.2BSD and used raw mode and termcap, please let me know.