esg@mtx5a.UUCP (ed gokhman) (12/31/85)
Hi:
I just recently started reading this newsgroup. I have a
few questions:
1. ANSI supposed to come up with C standard at the end of 85.
I understand that it did not happen. What is the latest
info on it ? Where can I obtain a copy of their draft ?
2. IEEE was working on their own C standard at one point.
What is the latest from them and how to obtain any
material on this subject ?
3. Are there any recent publications on AT&T internal
C standard ?
In addition, I have a few questions on the upcoming
ANSI standard:
a. How was the type equivalence resolved? According to
Rosler's article in BSTJ - 84 it is name equivalence.
According to Gahani ("Advanced C", 1985) it is
structural equivalence.
b. Is a pointer to void pointer to anything, like
it is done in C++ ?
c. Did aggregate's assignment statement make it into the
ANSI standard (draft) ?
d. Is specification of function's formal parameters
in declaration required by ANSI draft ?
Finally, what are the good books/articles on the
new standard(s) ?
Thanx in advance,
Ed Gokhmangwyn@brl-tgr.ARPA (Doug Gwyn <gwyn>) (01/03/86)
> 1. ANSI supposed to come up with C standard at the end of 85. > I understand that it did not happen. What is the latest > info on it ? Where can I obtain a copy of their draft ? The ANSI X3J11 committee is still very active, but they haven't finished yet. The latest draft standard that I have a copy of is Doc. No. X3J11/85-138 (Nov. 11, 1985); it should be available through the X3 Secretariat: CBEMA, 311 First St NW, Washington DC 20001 (202)737-8888. > 2. IEEE was working on their own C standard at one point. > What is the latest from them and how to obtain any > material on this subject ? I don't think there is a separate IEEE C effort at present. There is a Portable Operating System Environment standards working group (P1003) that has just ballotted on a proposed trial use (UNIX system interface) standard. > 3. Are there any recent publications on AT&T internal > C standard ? How about the C Reference Manual in the UNIX System V docs? > a. How was the type equivalence resolved? According to > Rosler's article in BSTJ - 84 it is name equivalence. > According to Gahani ("Advanced C", 1985) it is > structural equivalence. "Two types are the same if they have the same ordered set of type specifiers and abstract declarators, either directly or via typedefs. Two structures or unions are different if they have no names or different names (taking tags and typedef synonyms into account), even if their members are identical." > b. Is a pointer to void pointer to anything, like > it is done in C++ ? (void *) is a type capable of being assigned a pointer to anything and back without loss of information. > c. Did aggregate's assignment statement make it into the > ANSI standard (draft) ? Simple assignment requires both operands to be arithmetic types or to have the same structure, union, or pointer type. > d. Is specification of function's formal parameters > in declaration required by ANSI draft ? Only if you want parameter type checking and coercion. > Finally, what are the good books/articles on the > new standard(s) ? Since the standard has not yet been ratified, a book would be premature. See also the mod.std.c newsgroup.
rich@rexago1.UUCP (K. Richard Magill) (01/07/86)
In article <1197@brl-tgr.ARPA> gwyn@brl-tgr.ARPA (Doug Gwyn <gwyn>) writes: >The ANSI X3J11 committee is still very active, but they haven't >finished yet. The latest draft standard that I have a copy of >is Doc. No. X3J11/85-138 (Nov. 11, 1985); it should be available >through the X3 Secretariat: CBEMA, 311 First St NW, Washington >DC 20001 (202)737-8888. We just received our copy from CBEMA. *A*P*R*I*L* draft with the nice goldenrod *J*U*L*Y* cover for $20. Piss. So how do I get a Nov. 11, 1985 copy? Grrr.
gwyn@brl-tgr.ARPA (Doug Gwyn <gwyn>) (01/09/86)
> In article <1197@brl-tgr.ARPA> gwyn@brl-tgr.ARPA (Doug Gwyn <gwyn>) writes: > >The ANSI X3J11 committee is still very active, but they haven't > >finished yet. The latest draft standard that I have a copy of > >is Doc. No. X3J11/85-138 (Nov. 11, 1985); it should be available > >through the X3 Secretariat: CBEMA, 311 First St NW, Washington > >DC 20001 (202)737-8888. > > We just received our copy from CBEMA. *A*P*R*I*L* draft with the nice > goldenrod *J*U*L*Y* cover for $20. My apologies to those who have had this trouble. I get my copies through unofficial channels. I believe it is possible to join the X3J11 mailing list and receive a copy of all their publications, for some fee like $200/year; probably one could find out about this and other means of obtaining copies of the drafts by asking Thomas Plum at Plum Hall Inc., 1 Spruce Avenue, Cardiff NJ 08232. He is the official X3J11 interface to the public. It would be nice if the first person to get definitive information on this would post it.
joemu@nsc-pdc.UUCP (Joe Mueller) (01/11/86)
> In article <1197@brl-tgr.ARPA> gwyn@brl-tgr.ARPA (Doug Gwyn <gwyn>) writes: > >The ANSI X3J11 committee is still very active, but they haven't > >finished yet. The latest draft standard that I have a copy of > >is Doc. No. X3J11/85-138 (Nov. 11, 1985); it should be available > >through the X3 Secretariat: CBEMA, 311 First St NW, Washington > >DC 20001 (202)737-8888. > > We just received our copy from CBEMA. *A*P*R*I*L* draft with the nice > goldenrod *J*U*L*Y* cover for $20. > > Piss. > > So how do I get a Nov. 11, 1985 copy? > > Grrr. I will bring it up to the committee whether it's time to re-release our current draft. The copy from CBEMA will always be out of date with our current draft. The committee needs to explicitly vote on releasing the draft to CBEMA, the latest draft does not automaticly go out for distribution. CBEMA is distributing the last draft that we voted out for distribution, unfortunately it's April's draft. The latest copy of the draft is not kept secret, it's just too expensive to give them out to everyone that asks, that's why we have CBEMA hand them out, and that's why they charge $20 for it. The only way to get current copies of the draft is to join the X3J11 committee as either a full member or an observer or know someone that is.