gjc@datlog.co.uk ( Gary Clark ) (09/05/86)
I have been asked to investigate the possibility of connecting
our Vax 11/750 running System V.2, to our in house IBM machine,
which runs VM. We have an asynch controller for the IBM machine,
as well as 3270 emulators avialable (via a PABX), and the vax
has a DHU-11 mutliplexor. The IBM machine does not run a version
of IX/370 (or any other type of Unix for that matter).
What we are looking to do is to have some reliable mechanism (like
uucp on a good day) to transfer files between the two machines, over
a serial, asynchronous connection preferably.
I realise that porting UUCP is a possiblity, but likely to be quite
difficult due to the problems of emulating the UNIX system calls etc.
Does anyone out there have any suggestions on this matter.
I am interested in anything! From pointers to documents which
cover this sort of issue, or indeed to any products
or source (either commercial or PD) which already implement such
a system.
To carry this further, my ultimate aim is to interface to the
IBM PROFS system (PRofessional Office System) which handles email,
memos, document preparation etc. Has anyone out there tread along
this path already? Again any help in this area will be most
gratefully received.
As always, if there is sufficient interest, I will summarise the
replies to the net.
--
Regards,
Gary Clark
EMAIL: <gjc@datlog.co.uk> or < ... !mcvax!ukc!{stc,stl}!datlog!gjc >
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PHONE: +44 1 863 0383 (x2210)bzs@bu-cs.BU.EDU (Barry Shein) (09/07/86)
From: gjc@datlog.co.uk ( Gary Clark ) >I have been asked to investigate the possibility of connecting >our Vax 11/750 running System V.2, to our in house IBM machine, >which runs VM. We have an asynch controller for the IBM machine, >as well as 3270 emulators avialable (via a PABX), and the vax >has a DHU-11 mutliplexor. The IBM machine does not run a version >of IX/370 (or any other type of Unix for that matter). You can get Kermit for CMS (and UNIX) from Columbia and probably have it up in less than an hour, but that's a 'personal' file transfer thing and may not be general enough for you. You can get Bitnet for both systems, UREP (from UPENN?) and standard Bitnet for your VM system, it will require a synch line for each system (hmm, does UREP work on SYSV?) You can get TCP/IP for your SYSV system, and an ethernet board, and get one of a few TCP/IP implementations for VM (IBM: WiscNet, Spartacus KNET, I think ACC has something also.) This of course is not cheap (tho not horrendous) but it can be very good. As far as interfacing PROFs goes, you should probably speak to IBM, probably Bitnet is the right thing to start with. You also might try a query to IBM-NETS@BITNIC.BITNET. There's also the RJE stuff for SYSV but I know nothing about it or what it requires. -Barry Shein, Boston University
henry@mit-trillian.MIT.EDU (Henry Mensch) (09/07/86)
In article <1180@bu-cs.bu-cs.BU.EDU> bzs@bu-cs.BU.EDU (Barry Shein) writes: >You can get Bitnet for both systems, UREP (from UPENN?) and standard >Bitnet for your VM system, it will require a synch line for each >system (hmm, does UREP work on SYSV?) UREP comes from the Pennsylvania State University in State College, PA -- NOT the University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia. The last time I inquired about such things I spoke with <dae@psuvax1> but he may no longer work there; a note to <postmaster@psuvax1> will probably reach the right people. (NOTE: those addresses listed above (@psuvax1) are bitnet addresses; from the Internet you should send via wiscvm.wisc.edu; from uucp you can send directly to psuvax1 as it is also a UUCP site.) An ex-employee of the University of Pennsylvania, -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Henry Mensch | Technical Writer | MIT/Project Athena henry@athena.mit.edu ..!mit-eddie!mit-athena!henry
diamant@hpfclp.HP.COM (John Diamant) (09/10/86)
> What we are looking to do is to have some reliable mechanism (like > uucp on a good day) to transfer files between the two machines, over > a serial, asynchronous connection preferably. > I realise that porting UUCP is a possiblity, but likely to be quite > difficult due to the problems of emulating the UNIX system calls etc. I would start by looking at kermit, the public domain protocol and programs developed at Columbia University and elsewhere. If you are not familiar with it, there was a writeup in a recent Byte magazine (I don't remember which issue). There is also a mailing list called info-kermit, which may be maintained at columbia-20.arpa, but I won't guarantee that the machine is the correct one. There are implementations of this program on many machines (many 10s at least). > > To carry this further, my ultimate aim is to interface to the > IBM PROFS system (PRofessional Office System) which handles email, > memos, document preparation etc. Has anyone out there tread along > this path already? Again any help in this area will be most > gratefully received. This program is not designed for automated operation; however, one node can be set up as a server (if the particular implementation supports it). In this way, the other node would be completely in control of the transfers, which would allow programmatic control of the transfers rather than manual. Alternately, it may be possible to set the programs to start up automatically from a special login (just as uucp does). > > -- > Regards, > Gary Clark John Diamant Systems Software Operation UUCP: {hplabs,hpfcla}!hpfclp!diamant Hewlett Packard Co. ARPA/CSNET: diamant%hpfclp@hplabs.HP.COM Fort Collins, CO
dave@dlb.UUCP (Dave Buck) (09/11/86)
For file transfer, I'd suggest a synchronous link to the IBM, and either BSC or SNA batch-mode connections. The standard rje mechanism allows you to send and receive files readily (some shell scripts may be required to customize for your intentions) to standard IBM synchronous software. As I understand it, to use an asynch connection, there'd have to be a Series/1 frontending the IBM, so synch is probably cheaper. TCP/IP is probably the perfect solution, but needs to be implemented on both ends. Besides AT&T's rje communications package, there are other commercial packages for BSC and SNA connections; my company is a supplier of such products for many UNIX-based machines (there are others, obviously!). PROFS is based on IBM's SNA Logical Unit 6.2; AT&T is rumored to be finishing up an interface for LU 6.2 (details unknown to me). My company has existing LU 6.2 software, but at the moment it interfaces to IBM's DISOSS, a distant relative to PROFS (and of course, PROFS interface will come from us some time in the future!). -- Dave Buck ihnp4!amdahl!dlb!dave (408)972-2825 D.L.Buck&Assoc.,Inc. 6920 Santa Teresa Blvd. San Jose, Calif.95119