morse@leadsv.UUCP (Terry Morse) (07/10/85)
Tim Leary used "se" and "hir" for the third person neuter pronoun:
he him his
she her hers
se hir hirs
I think it has a nice androgynous sound.
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-- ARPA: baylor.peter@RICE.ARPA
-- MCI: PDASILVA; CIS: 70216,1076; DELPHI: PJDASILVA
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UUCP: seismo!nsc!cae780!leadsv!morseccrdave@ucdavis.UUCP (Lord Kahless) (07/14/85)
> Tim Leary used "se" and "hir" for the third person neuter pronoun: > > he him his > she her hers > se hir hirs > > I think it has a nice androgynous sound. > -- > -- Peter da Silva (the mad Australian) > -- UUCP: ...!shell!neuro1!{hyd-ptd,baylor,datafac}!peter > -- ARPA: baylor.peter@RICE.ARPA > -- MCI: PDASILVA; CIS: 70216,1076; DELPHI: PJDASILVA > -- Sounds like the Afrikaans sy and haar, for she & her. > he him his > she her hers > se hir hirs > sy haar Is that politically fashionable these days.
dgary@ecsvax.UUCP (D Gary Grady) (07/15/85)
I don't know if someone else has pointed this out or not, but for what
it's worth several languages make do with no pronoun gender at all (that
is, not an alternative gender-neutral pronoun that means "he or she but
not it" but rather a pronoun system that does not distinguish between
gender or between human and non-human). Some languages I believe this
is true of (somebody correct me if I'm wrong) are Chinese and the
Finno-Ugric group, which included Hungarian (Magyar), Estonian, and
Finnish.
A minor aside: Dutch nouns carry two genders, but they are not male and
female. Instead there is neuter and "common" which descended from the
Germanic male and female.
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D Gary Grady
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USENET: {seismo,decvax,ihnp4,akgua,etc.}!mcnc!ecsvax!dgaryhoward@cyb-eng.UUCP (Howard Johnson) (07/17/85)
>Tim Leary used "se" and "hir" for the third person neuter pronoun: > he him his > she her hers > se hir hirs So ... how do I *pronounce* these words (and have them understood)?
jack@boring.UUCP (07/19/85)
In article <1647@ecsvax.UUCP> dgary@ecsvax.UUCP (D Gary Grady) writes: > >A minor aside: Dutch nouns carry two genders, but they are not male and >female. Instead there is neuter and "common" which descended from the >Germanic male and female. As far as I know, this is not strictly true. Dutch has three genders, like German: male, female and neuter. The point is, we only have two articles, "de" (M/F) and "het" (N). (And "een", of course). So while you don't see the difference normally, you should (officially) use either "hij" (he) or "zij" (she) if you refer to the word: "De vereniging dient *haar* statuten na te komen". (The society has to live by it's regulations). -- Jack Jansen, jack@mcvax.UUCP The shell is my oyster.
hmj@tut.UUCP (Hannu-Matti Jarvinen) (07/22/85)
In article <ecsvax.1647> dgary@ecsvax.UUCP (D Gary Grady) writes: >I don't know if someone else has pointed this out or not, but for what >it's worth several languages make do with no pronoun gender at all (that >is, not an alternative gender-neutral pronoun that means "he or she but >not it" but rather a pronoun system that does not distinguish between >gender or between human and non-human). Some languages I believe this >is true of (somebody correct me if I'm wrong) are Chinese and the >Finno-Ugric group, which included Hungarian (Magyar), Estonian, and >Finnish. Finnish does distinguish between human and non-human. Human is always "haen", which means both female and male, non-human is "se", but "se" is sometimes (or quite often) used to refer also humans in spoken language. Non-humans are always "se" and no pronouns to distinguish female and male exist. -- Hannu-Matti Jarvinen ASENTO - Ada Software ENgineering TOols -project Tampere University of Technology, Computer Systems Laboratory, Finland hmj@tut.UUCP, ...!mcvax!tut!hmj