dettelis@canisius.UUCP (Carl Dettelis) (01/29/86)
Subject: Out in cold in Adams race Newsgroups: net.sport.hocky With a little more than half the NHL season gone, it seems pretty clear that the Adams division is the best and most interesting division in hocky. My question is, who will be left out in the cold? I feel that Quebec and Montreal are too good not to make it. The both have solid teams and I would be very surprised if they dont qualify. The Hartford Whalers, the usual schmorons of the division seem like they want to qualify for the playoffs. The nerve! They actually have enough talent to do it too. The Whalers are also hungry. So, That leaves Buffalo and Boston. One of these teams will be out for the first time in who knows how many years. I feel the key will be weather Buffalo can find the right combination of players in all of the lines that they keep jumbling up. I have been a Sabres fan for years but I couldn't tell you one set line on the Sabres team. They change so often. If Buffalo can find a conbination of lines they like, and their so called talented young players will start to produce, they may be able to make a strong run. If not, Boston will back into the playoffs. As a Sabres fan I hope it is the bruins that will be put on ice. I would like to know who other people think will not make the playoffs in the Adams? -Carl (maddog) Dettelis
pmm1920@ritcv.UUCP (01/29/86)
> > Subject: Out in cold in Adams race > > With a little more than half the NHL season gone, it seems > pretty clear that the Adams division is the best and most interesting > division in hocky. My question is, who will be left out in the cold? > I feel that Quebec and Montreal are too good not to make it.... > The Hartford Whalers, the usual schmorons of the division seem like > they want to qualify for the playoffs. The nerve! They actually have > enough talent to do it too. So, That leaves Buffalo and Boston. > One of these teams will be out for the first time > in who knows how many years. I feel the key will be weather Buffalo > can find the right combination of players in all of the lines that > they keep jumbling up.... > > I would like to know who other people think will not make > the playoffs in the Adams? I am also a Sabres fan but, as much as I hate to admit it, I feel that they will miss the playoffs this year for the first time since, I think, 1973. I am SO tired of them switching lines. The management always expects instant results when they form a new line. If they could just get 5 or 6 games together maybe they could score some goals. Will they ever learn??? Paul Meyerhofer
ryan@fremen.DEC (DTN 264-8280 MK01-2/E25) (01/31/86)
---------------------Reply to mail dated 29-JAN-1986 04:15---------------------
Well, as a Bruins fan, I tend to think it'll be Buffalo that'll
be left out this year. As you said, Quebec and Montreal are too
good and Hartford is too hungry, and Boston is too good also when
they're healthy. They've had a lot of injuries to key players
this year, most noticably to Charlie Simmer, who still isn't back
up to snuff after almost losing an eye in a high-sticking
incident. They should have everyone healthy by playoff time (oh
please!) and stand a good chance of playing (maybe even beating)
Philly for the right to get creamed by Edmonton (in the Patriot's
footsteps:-).
Mike Ryan
ARPA: ryan%fremen.DEC@DECWRL.ARPA
UUCP: {decvax,allegra,ihnp4,ucbvax,...}!decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-fremen!ryantohaapanen@watrose.UUCP (Tom Haapanen) (02/03/86)
>> I would like to know who other people think will not make >> the playoffs in the Adams? With Buffalo being my probably least favourite team, I think my wish will finally come true this year and they'll miss the playoffs. Everyone was making a big fuss over Scotty Bowman (most hated-by-players coach in the league?) returning to the bench and his initial unbeaten streak, but the Sabres went back to their old habits and lost four games in a row until finally winning on Friday. Like the maple Laughs, the Sabres just don't seem to have that drive. Montreal and Quebec both have that desire to win -- neither really has any more in terms of personnel than Buffalo -- and they'll battle it out for first place. Les Canadiens have just exploded this year in goal scoring, and if they can come up with a hot goaltender, they could be in the finals, with a reasonable chance to sneak a Cup away from the Oilers... \tom haapanen watmath!watrose!haapanen I'm all lost in the Supermarket I can no longer shop happily I came in here for that special offer Guaranteed personality (c) The Clash, 1979
hammond@steinmetz.UUCP (Steve Hammond) (02/11/86)
> ---------------------Reply to mail dated 29-JAN-1986 04:15--------------------- > > Well, as a Bruins fan, I tend to think it'll be Buffalo that'll > be left out this year. As you said, Quebec and Montreal are too > good and Hartford is too hungry, and Boston is too good also when > they're healthy. They've had a lot of injuries to key players > this year, most noticably to Charlie Simmer, who still isn't back > up to snuff after almost losing an eye in a high-sticking > incident. They should have everyone healthy by playoff time (oh > please!) and stand a good chance of playing (maybe even beating) > Philly for the right to get creamed by Edmonton (in the Patriot's > footsteps:-). > > Mike Ryan > ARPA: ryan%fremen.DEC@DECWRL.ARPA > UUCP: {decvax,allegra,ihnp4,ucbvax,...}!decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-fremen!ryan I don't think that the injury to ONE player is why the bruins are struggling. It seems to me that last year they were much worse off. They just cannot get a string of good games together. I am a hard core sabres fan. It did my heart good to see them beat Edmonton sunday night. :-) I think that Hartford will be left out which is a shame when there are teams like Detroit and NJ that are really bad but have a chance to make the playoffs. -- Steve Hammond arpa: hammond@ge-crd uucp: ...rochester!steinmetz!hammond happiness is nothing more than good health and a poor memory (a. schweitzer)
absary@water.UUCP (Al Sary) (02/13/86)
In article <653@steinmetz.UUCP> hammond@steinmetz.UUCP (Steve Hammond) writes: >night. :-) I think that Hartford will be left out which >is a shame when there are teams like Detroit and NJ that >are really bad but have a chance to make the playoffs. > New Jersey? You got to be joking. They have no chance of making the playoffs, being second to last (or around there) in the NHL, and having .500 teams to catch. On the other hand, how about Vancouver, LA, and Winnipeg from the Smythe. Two of those teams will make the playoffs, with currently Vancouver being waaaaay ahead (by 2 points) in the fight for last place in the division, and they are -11 currently. The current playoff format isn't perfect; with the old format, one of the three would still make the playoffs, quickly ousted by the Oilers in the first round. A comment to the original postings; I also think that Hartford will be the one left out of the playoffs from the Adams division, and that they need a different difision to ever do make the playoffs. Also, the Rangers will make it and Pittsburgh won't. -- Al Sary, CS Dep., U. of Waterloo, Waterloo, Ontario, Canada, N2L 3G1 UUCP: ...!{utzoo|decvax|ihnp4|clyde|allegra|linus}!watmath!watcal!absary ARPA: absary%watcal%waterloo.csnet@csnet-relay.arpa CSNET: absary%watcal@waterloo.CSNET
tohaapanen@watrose.UUCP (Tom Haapanen) (02/13/86)
In article <653@steinmetz.UUCP> hammond@steinmetz.UUCP (Steve Hammond) writes: > >I don't think that the injury to ONE player is why the >bruins are struggling. It seems to me that last year >they were much worse off. They just cannot get a string >of good games together. I am a hard core sabres fan. I'm a Canadiens fan myself (is there anybody out there who is a {Toronto, St.Louis, Detroit, Chicago, Minnesota} fan?) but I must admit that the Bruins' situation is really bad. They have five injure defensemen, including Kluzak, and having recalled anybody who's anybody from the farm, assistant coach Mike Milbury has had to come out of retirement to play defense! Things ain't good, but they're still better than the Sabres, who can't put a string of good games together either. Les Candiens, on the other hand --- they put strings of good games together. Then they put strings of bad games together. And so on. :-) \tom haapanen watmath!watrose!haapanen I'm all lost in the Supermarket I can no longer shop happily I came in here for that special offer Guaranteed personality (c) The Clash, 1979
mas@tellab1.UUCP (Mark Smith) (02/14/86)
> I'm a Canadiens fan myself (is there anybody out there who is a > {Toronto, St.Louis, Detroit, Chicago, Minnesota} fan?) but I must > admit that the Bruins' situation is really bad. They have five injure > defensemen, including Kluzak, and having recalled anybody who's > anybody from the farm, assistant coach Mike Milbury has had to come > out of retirement to play defense! Things ain't good, but they're > still better than the Sabres, who can't put a string of good games > together either. > > Les Candiens, on the other hand --- they put strings of good games > together. Then they put strings of bad games together. And so on. > :-) > > \tom haapanen > watmath!watrose!haapanen > I'm all lost in the Supermarket > I can no longer shop happily > I came in here for that special offer > Guaranteed personality (c) The Clash, 1979 2/13/86 In answer to your question, I am a Hawks fan. I do feel sorry for teams with good records, but don't make the playoffs. Maybe after some of these teams pay their dues, the league will pay attention to their complaints. I wondered if anyone else noticed that the crowd at the All-Star game gave Glen Sather a less than warm reception. I thought I'd heard quite a few people booing when Sather was announced, but it might have been my imagination. After one of the best All-Star games in memory, next year has a format change, pitting the All-Stars against the Soviets in a challenge cup. On a different note, I wonder how the design people who came up with Vancouver's uniform feel about some of the announcers comments (i.e. Dan Kelly -ugliest uniform in the league; Dale Tallon -their home uniform is even more obnoxious) I guess that I'm biased, I think that the Blackhawks have the best uniforms in the league. Mark A. Smith <mas@tellab1> Chgo. Stadium 2nd. balcony, sec.r, row g P.S. Speaking of Vancouver, did anyone see the game between N.Y. Rangers and Vancouver? I'd heard that some Canucks went into the stands after some fans. Does anyone know what happened? Please post.
ryan@cloud9.DEC (DTN 264-8280 MK01-2/E25) (02/14/86)
>Posted by: decwrl!decvax!mcnc!ncsu!uvacs!edison!steinmetz!hammond >Organization: GE CRD, Schenectady, NY > >> they're healthy. They've had a lot of injuries to key players >> this year, most noticably to Charlie Simmer, who still isn't back >> up to snuff after almost losing an eye in a high-sticking >> incident. They should have everyone healthy by playoff time (oh >> Mike Ryan > >I don't think that the injury to ONE player is why the >bruins are struggling. It seems to me that last year >they were much worse off. They just cannot get a string > Steve Hammond > arpa: hammond@ge-crd uucp: ...rochester!steinmetz!hammond The Bruins have had injuries to a lot more than one player - Simmer's injuries were just the most obvious. Right now the situation is so bad that for tomorrow's game against the Blues the only defensemen they have available are Ray Bourque, Mike Milbury (assistant coach - he played for the first time this year the other night against the Blackhawks), and minor leaguers John Blum and Wade Campbell. Good thing the Whalers have started their annual collapse:-). I do think the Bruins with everyone healthy are the equal of any other team in the conference; I just hope there'll be a chance to find out if I'm right in the playoffs. The Boston Globe's Leigh Montville said in a column today: "Ray Bourque ... plays more minutes in the game than the starting goaltender these days...". It was true in the Buffalo game last week, when Keans was pulled after two periods in an 8-6 loss - I could have sworn Bourque was on the ice at least 40 minutes. That really worries me - fatigue makes a player more injury-prone, and if they lose Bourque it's all over. Mike Ryan ARPA: ryan%fremen.DEC@DECWRL.ARPA UUCP: {decvax,allegra,ihnp4,ucbvax,...}!decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-fremen!ryan
absary@water.UUCP (Al Sary) (02/17/86)
In article <806@tellab1.UUCP> mas@tellab1.UUCP (Mark Smith) writes: > > On a different note, I wonder how the design people who > came up with Vancouver's uniform feel about some of the > announcers comments (i.e. Dan Kelly -ugliest uniform in the > league; Dale Tallon -their home uniform is even more obnoxious) > I guess that I'm biased, I think that the Blackhawks have > the best uniforms in the league. > Are you talking about their old unis or the new one; they have new uniforms this year. I have to give my own opinion about this. Many people in Vancouver, especially some ass reporters, gave the Canucks a rough time about their old uniforms, saing that the reason the Canucks are such a bad team is their uniforms. Well, I guess managements proved these people wrong this year. Anyways, they have new uniforms this year (at leas the shirts are a new stile), and I think the new ones look horrible. I know a whole bunch of people won't agree with me, but the Canucks went from the best uniforms in the league to the worst. In my opinion, the old ones were unique, you could recognize them right off when you say some highlights on TV. Now, they look just like the other teams, except even less interesting. Maybe after this season they'll figure it wasn't the unis, and they'll go back to the good old days, although I doubt it. > > P.S. Speaking of Vancouver, did anyone see the game between > N.Y. Rangers and Vancouver? I'd heard that some Canucks went > into the stands after some fans. Does anyone know what > happened? Please post. > I didn't see the game, but I say some highlights, and I don't think any of the players went into the stands, but they tried. Some guy sitting behind the Canuck bench through beer at their bench (I thought that it was glass, I think it was plastic cup full of beer); then another beer was thrown at the bench, possibly by the same guy. When the police was escorting the guy out just by the Canuck bench, Cox (sp?), a young player tried to climb over the glass to get at the guy, and would have done it too if Tom Watt does not hold him back. So I don't think anything happened, but incidentally, I think the rangers were involved in similar situation before. I seem to remember a few years ago some players went up to the stands, can't remember if it was the Rangers or the Bruins and which stadium it was, and one of the players was hammering at a spectator with the guys own shoes. Most likely, there were suspensions in that case. -- Al Sary, CS Dep., U. of Waterloo, Waterloo, Ontario, Canada, N2L 3G1 UUCP: ...!{utzoo|decvax|ihnp4|clyde|allegra|linus}!watmath!watcal!absary ARPA: absary%watcal%waterloo.csnet@csnet-relay.arpa CSNET: absary%watcal@waterloo.CSNET
jhr2@houem.UUCP (J.ROSENBLUTH) (02/18/86)
>> I'm a Canadiens fan myself (is there anybody out there who is a >> {Toronto, St.Louis, Detroit, Chicago, Minnesota} fan?) > In answer to your question, I am a Hawks fan. I do feel > sorry for teams with good records, but don't make the playoffs. > Maybe after some of these teams pay their dues, the league > will pay attention to their complaints. I'm a Blues fan. For a 16-team qualifying format, I think the playoff system is just fine. Someday the Whalers will be lucky when the Adams is the weak division. The Hawks, North Stars and Blues have the division format to thank because they draw much better when they play each other. The same applies for the Islanders, Devils and Rangers. See the Hockey News with Troy Murray on the cover: they list road attendance within and outside the division. Of course, there shouldn't be 16 teams in the playoffs. Nothing quite like baseball, but hockey can't afford just 4 teams. Can they at least reduce to 12 so that winning the division is meaningful? Come to think of it, no .500 club (Hartford or the Blues or whoever) has any right to complain about not making the playoffs. > I guess that I'm biased, I think that the Blackhawks have > the best uniforms in the league. You are definitely right! Close second to the Bruins. I liked the original Blues home uniform. Josh Rosenbluth (...houxm!houem!jhr2)
johansen@agrigene.UUCP (02/19/86)
> can't remember if it was the > Rangers or the Bruins and which stadium it was, and one of the players was > hammering at a spectator with the guys own shoes. Most likely, there were > suspensions in that case. > *** REPLACE THIS LINE WITH YOUR MESSAGE *** Actually, it was the big bad bruins. Several of them went into the stands in New York. Peter McNab took the shoe off one guy and started beating him with it. There were suspensions and a civil lawsuit. I think the suit was thrown out of court.
pmm1920@ritcv.UUCP (02/19/86)
In article <460@houem.UUCP> jhr2@houem.UUCP (J.ROSENBLUTH) writes: >>> I'm a Canadiens fan myself (is there anybody out there who is a >>> {Toronto, St.Louis, Detroit, Chicago, Minnesota} fan?) > > > In answer to your question, I am a Hawks fan. I do feel > > sorry for teams with good records, but don't make the playoffs. > > Maybe after some of these teams pay their dues, the league > > will pay attention to their complaints. > >I'm a Blues fan. For a 16-team qualifying format, >I think the playoff system is just fine. Someday the Whalers will >be lucky when the Adams is the weak division. Without trying to sound conceited (sp), WHEN will the Adams division be the "weak" division. I personally don't see it in the near future! Paul Meyerhofer
tohaapanen@watrose.UUCP (Tom Haapanen) (02/21/86)
>I don't think that the injury to ONE player is why the >bruins are struggling. It seems to me that last year >they were much worse off. The Bruins are really suffering because their only healthy regular defenseman is Ray Bourque; all the others have various injuries. On the other hand, the Whalers do not have the depth of the other teams in the Adams and are really in a slump because of an injury to their top player, Ron Francis. The Sabres better watch out when the Bruins and Whalers are healthy again! \tom haapanen watmath!watrose!haapanen I'm all lost in the Supermarket I can no longer shop happily I came in here for that special offer Guaranteed personality (c) The Clash, 1979
dettelis@canisius.UUCP (Carl Dettelis) (02/22/86)
I don't think that is can be clearly stated that the Bruins are better than the Sabres. Both teams have had ups and downs. I earlier gave my opinion that the team left out in the Adams division would be Buffalo or Boston depending on if the Sabres can stick with a set of lines that they like. I still think this is true. The Sabres will either go far in the playoffs this year or they will be out. Most people have felt that Hartford is not ready to take a playoff spot this year. I disagree. When Hartford gets it's two leading scorers back in the line up they will be good enough to make the playoffs. I feel it will be Harfords desire to make the playoffs for the first time that will carry them through. The Sabres and Bruins can't remember the last time they haven't had a post season. Neither team wants it as bad as Hartford. I know Boston has had injuries too, but they are not likely to see the return of their injured players as quickly as Hartford. Also, a subject of constant disagreement between my friend and me is Tom Barrasso. I get very annoid when I read in the paper what a good game Barrasso had when I feel he played average. It seems to me, that the press feels he can do no wrong. Barrasso is a good goalie, not a great one. When he has a bad game it is just a bad as any goalies. Barrasso is very fortunate to have come to a defensive minded club like Buffalo. I think that if he'd have gone to Detroit or Los Angeles, he wouldn't be half as popular. My friends think Barrasso is one of the top two or three goalies in the league if not the best. I feel he is not in the top 5 but probably the top ten. Remember, Buffalo hasn't made it passed the first round of the playoffs with Tommy in net. True they haven't gone too much further before he arrived, but he hasn't been able to improve the Sabres. I feel that last years playoffs Between Buffalo and Quebec would have been won by the Sabres if the Goalies were swiched and Buffalo had a hot Mario Gosslen in net. -I would like to know if anybody else feels Tom Barrasso is over rated and where do you rate him with other goalies in the NHL. P.S. Watch for Jacque Clutier(sp) to make his mark. - Carl Dettelis