2212msr@whuts.UUCP (ROBIN) (02/24/86)
Is there a version of emacs available for ms/pc-dos machines? The machines it would be used on are IBM PC/AT and AT&T PC6300+. Any help would be appreciated. I'll post a summary to the net if there is sufficient response. Max S. Robin AT&T Bell Laboratories Rm. 3E-318A Whippany, NJ 07981 email:whuxg!2212msr voice:201-386-6865
bill@hp-pcd.UUCP (bill) (02/27/86)
There are several Emacen (pl?) around for the PC. Most of them, however, are rather home-brew, including the one I use most of the time. I do know of one, however, that's both comprehensive and commercially available. It's Unipress Emacs, from Unipress Software, Inc., Suite 312, 2025 Lincoln Highway, Edison, NJ 08817, (201) 985-8000. On 8/20/85, the price was $325 for binary, $995 for source, and supposedly they had versions available for PC, AT, Rainbow 100, TI-PC, HP150, and "generic MS-DOS". Unipress also claimed to have at PC-AT/Xenix version forthcoming, and a wide range of Unix and VMS versions also available. On the positive side - Unipress Emacs is essentially a MS-DOS adaptation of Gosling's Emacs. It's totally user-extensible; you can write your own library routines in MLisp. In fact, it's probably capable of doing almost any function that full-blown Gosling's Unix Emacs will do, given the constraint that it's now running on a single-user, single-tasking system. On the negative side - Like Gosling's Emacs, I consider this one to be somewhat of a dinosaur. It takes a hefty amount of memory (the program itself is around 250K), and even loading it from a hard disk on a PC-AT and then waiting for it to initialize can take ten or fifteen seconds. The really powerful functions are all in the form of ".ml" files, so you have this fairly massive directory somewhere (say a megabyte or two?) that contains all these functions. Also, I use a color graphics card with an RGB monitor; I haven't found a way to get it to run in color (though I haven't tried real hard), and it apparently doesn't wait for retrace to paint the screen (I get annoying "snow" whenever it displays anything). bill frolik hp-pcd!bill
cramer@kontron.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) (03/03/86)
> > > There are several Emacen (pl?) around for the PC. Most of them, however, > are rather home-brew, including the one I use most of the time. > I do know of one, however, that's both comprehensive and commercially > available. It's Unipress Emacs, from Unipress Software, Inc., > Suite 312, 2025 Lincoln Highway, Edison, NJ 08817, (201) 985-8000. > > bill frolik > hp-pcd!bill One of the "home-brew" EMACS clones, or close to being home-brew, is Epsilon, sold by Lugaru Software. Don't let the fact that Lugaru Software is pretty small disturb you. Epsilon is darn impressive. It's fast, gives just about every capability of Gosling EMACS except undo, and the documentation is quite good. We've been using it for a while here, and we are enthused. Some of the people here who won't soil their fingers with a PC make an exception only because of Epsilon.
aptr@ur-tut.UUCP (The Wumpus) (03/05/86)
> There are several Emacen (pl?) around for the PC. Most of them, however, > are rather home-brew, including the one I use most of the time. > I do know of one, however, that's both comprehensive and commercially > available. It's Unipress Emacs, from Unipress Software, Inc., > Suite 312, 2025 Lincoln Highway, Edison, NJ 08817, (201) 985-8000. > > bill frolik > hp-pcd!bill JOVE, (Joshua's own version of Emacs) is available for the PC. It is public domain, and a almost totaly complete version of it's mainframe counter part. JOVE can be found on several main frames, and offers some very nice features. I preffer it to Emacs. There was also a program for CP/m several years ago that might be available for the PC. It was Uince (I think). I remember something about it later becoming Perfect Writer, but I am not sure. The Wumpus
forbus@uiucdcsp.CS.UIUC.EDU (03/05/86)
Final Word II, from Mark of the Unicorn, is an excellent clone of EMACS and SCRIBE for the PC. Unlike many EMACS knock-offs, both the editor and the formatter are user-programmable. The language is better than the TECO commands the original EMACS forced you to use, but not as readable as Gosling's "mock lisp". It supports HP and Apple laser printers as well as the usual run of dot-matrix printers, and it is easy to add new printers Other winning features include good cursor key support and a "swap file" that periodically gets saved so that you can recover what you were editing if your system goes down (as, say by the cat trouncing your PC's power cord). The original Final Word was the program that convinced me the time was right to try PC's at all, and FWII is even better. I can barely stand Gosling's EMACS anymore. Usual disclaimers, I'm just a very satisfied customer.
aptr@ur-tut.UUCP (The Wumpus) (03/05/86)
> > > > There are several Emacen (pl?) around for the PC. Most of them, however, > > are rather home-brew, including the one I use most of the time. > > I do know of one, however, that's both comprehensive and commercially > > available. It's Unipress Emacs, from Unipress Software, Inc., > > Suite 312, 2025 Lincoln Highway, Edison, NJ 08817, (201) 985-8000. > > > > bill frolik > > hp-pcd!bill > > JOVE, (Joshua's own version of Emacs) is available for the PC. It is public > domain, and a almost totaly complete version of it's mainframe counter part. > JOVE can be found on several main frames, and offers some very nice features. > I preffer it to Emacs. There was also a program for CP/m several years ago > that might be available for the PC. It was Uince (I think). I remember > something about it later becoming Perfect Writer, but I am not sure. > > The Wumpus > Oops, let me correct that. JOVE stands for Jonathan's Own Version of Emacs. "We appologize for the inconvienence." The Wumpus
jpn@teddy.UUCP (03/06/86)
In article <20@ur-tut.UUCP> aptr@ur-tut.UUCP (The Wumpus) writes: >JOVE, (Joshua's own version of Emacs) is available for the PC. It is public >domain ... Let's not rehash this AGAIN! JOVE is NOT public domain, it contains UNIX source code (the regular expression code is from "ed", and the temp file code is from "vi". This is documented in the source). By the way, its JONATHAN's own version of Emacs - the author's name is Jonathan Payne. (I think I spelled that right).
mink@cfa.UUCP (03/07/86)
> JOVE, (Joshua's own version of Emacs) is available for the PC. It is public > domain, and a almost totaly complete version of it's mainframe counter part. > JOVE can be found on several main frames, and offers some very nice features. > I preffer it to Emacs. There was also a program for CP/m several years ago > that might be available for the PC. It was Uince (I think). I remember > something about it later becoming Perfect Writer, but I am not sure. Perfect Writer, which I got bundled with my Columbia VP, is a pretty good EMACS clone--no LISP extensibility, but a reasonable formatter and control commands identical to EMACS. Recent versions of Perfect Writer, after Thorn-EMI bought Perfect Software have a different user interface, I understand. -Doug Mink
lawrence@duncan.UUCP (03/09/86)
Indeed, Perfect Writer, availible from Thron/EMI is a reasonable clode of Emacs availible for the IBM-PC and CP/M 80