[net.startrek] Trivial asbestos-substitute

butenhof@orac.DEC (Dave Butenhof, VAX-11 RSX AME) (05/10/84)

Greetings, trivial people!

I've  been a silent `participant' in this newsgroup for a while, but I never
bothered  to  speak  up  before. Now, out of frustration, I feel obliged to.
Actually, I just feel like it, but anyway ...

The emphasis of this group tends to trivia -- which I suppose is reasonable,
considering  there's  relatively  little  else to discuss on a regular basis
about  a  ~15  year  deceased TV program and two feature movies from several
years ago. However, there seems to be an amazing amount of inaccuracy in the
trivia.  Now,  no-one  can  object to an ocassional wrong guess; but some of
this  has  been stated as definite fact. Often, not only is it wrong, but it
simply doesn't make sense -- which is even worse. At least apply some logic!

Since  I  am  unfortunately faced with the necessity to work (mostly) during
the  day,  I  tend to save up all my newsgroup mailings in files, print them
out  ocassionally,  take the listings home, and peruse them over a period of
several  weeks  (this is one of the reasons I rarely bother to respond: once
I've read something, it's usually already been hashed over a hundred times).
Some  of  the  examples I'm about to site have already been hashed over, and
the others probably will have been (probably in the files on my system which
I still haven't printed!) by the time this gets out. Also, I'd like to point
out  that  I'm  refraining  from flaming at anyone in specific, so don't get
annoyed  if your trivia is here -- unless of course I'm wrong, in which case
please  don't  tell  me,  as  I'll  simply  die  of embarassment in front of
everyone!  :-)

The  first  point  that  comes  to  mind  is the controversy over the Vulcan
salute.  There  have  been  sitings  from  Gerrold's books and even speeches
claiming  incorrect facts. It was in fact Nimoy, not Roddenberry who snuck a
peek  in  Synagogue.  I strongly doubt that Roddenberry ever claimed to have
invented (discovered?) the Vulcan salute.

The  woman  who played T'Pau was not able to make the Vulcan salute at will;
nor  was  she assisted in making it: she could get her fingers in the proper
formation,  however,  and they were capable of holding there. She formed the
salute prior to starting a scene, and hid her hand until the proper moment.

Next. I will not guarantee that McCoy's line in ``Friday's Child'' was ``I'm
a  doctor,  not  an  escalator,'' (though it sounds right) but even the most
elementary  exercise  of logic will help to conclude that it was not ``I'm a
doctor,  not  a  bricklayer.''  This  phrase  simply  makes no sense in that
context.  Besides,  I  happen  to  know  for  a  fact that McCoy was ``not a
bricklayer''  as  he applied thermal concrete to the Horta mother in ``Devil
in  the  Dark.''  An  interesting  side question: to my knowledge, McCoy was
never  not  the  same  thing twice (if that phrasing makes no sense, this is
probably only appropriate).  Does anyone have contrary evidence?

On  the ``Trek Teasers'' quiz -- I don't know who put that together, but I'm
not  impressed.  The salt shakers, for example, were not ``twentieth-century
kitchen  utensils.''  They were in fact twenty-first century table utensils.
They  were developed for ``Mantrap'' (the salt monster!) but were determined
to  be  too  `futuristic' in appearance for the audience to identify them as
salt  shakers.  When  it  was  decided  that  McCoy  should  have some dandy
palm-sized medical instruments, the abandoned salt shakers were pressed into
service.  Therefore  while the question may be roughly correct, the phrasing
is  inexcusably  misleading.  By  the  way, I agree that anyone who looks up
answers in a Trivia quiz book (shame shame!) or even in a standard reference
such  as  blueprints,  Concordance,  or  novels should be ``hauled away _as_
garbage!''  (if  you don't recognise the line, you can consider it a trivial
question).  The  Enterprize's  identification  number??? Come now, let's get
something at least _mildly_ obscure here!

Although  it  doesn't  relate  to  the topic of this note, I'm just scanning
through  my  latest  net.startrek  printout, so ... wasn't the Twilight Zone
episode  with  Shatner  and  the  ``gremlin''  called  ``Nightmare at 20,000
feet?''  And  by  the  way, Shatner played the character ever so much better
than the guy in the movie ...

OK,  now  I've ticked off a lot of innocent people, so I suppose I should be
satisfied  for now. This thing could be a lot of fun (it's obvious that some
of  the regulars are far more trivial than I on the subject of Startrek: I'm
often amazed at the scraps of knowledge that shine through).

Dave Butenhof
Digital Equipment Corporation
110 Spitbrook Rd
Nashua NH
orac::butenhof (that's more like decwrl!rhea!orac!butenhof to youse guys)

"I'm not a fan: I just read the stuff!"


"Enterprise," says a male voice, "Uhura speaking."

	/dave

Wed 9-May-1984 20:04 ORAC time

eric@whuxle.UUCP (05/10/84)

#R:decwrl:-2300:whuxle:30200001:000:982
whuxle!eric    May 10 08:28:00 1984

> On  the ``Trek Teasers'' quiz -- I don't know who put that together, but I'm
> not  impressed.  The salt shakers, for example, were not ``twentieth-century
> kitchen  utensils.''  They were in fact twenty-first century table utensils.
> They  were developed for ``Mantrap'' (the salt monster!) but were determined
> to  be  too  `futuristic' in appearance for the audience to identify them as
> salt  shakers.  When  it  was  decided  that  McCoy  should  have some dandy
> palm-sized medical instruments, the abandoned salt shakers were pressed into
> service.  Therefore  while the question may be roughly correct, the phrasing
> is  inexcusably  misleading.

Sorry. If YOU got off YOUR soapbox and LOWERED yourself to READ a REFERENCE
book, you will indeed discover that the salt shakers WERE 20th century table
utensils, albeit from cultures different from our own. THEY ** WERE ** REAL
SALT SHAKERS...... ARGHGRHGRH......


			from the exam tired fingers of 
			eric holtman

rjnoe@ihlts.UUCP (Roger Noe) (05/10/84)

Note: this whole article should be taken with a grain of :-) (or at least
quadrotriticale!)

Dave Butenhof comments on the contents of postings to this newsgroup:
>	there seems to be an amazing amount of inaccuracy in the trivia
Absolutely!  But then that's what gives us both job security so we can
post articles like this.

>	There have been sitings from Gerrold's books and even speeches
Sittings?  Or maybe you mean "citings"?  Certainly you can't expect to
be picky and not be picked at.

>	An interesting side question:  to my knowledge, McCoy was
>	never not the same thing twice.  Does anyone have contrary evidence?
Not me.

>	The salt shakers, for example, were not "twentieth-century kitchen
>	utensils."  They were in fact twenty-first century table utensils.
Oh, this really gets to me!!  How can such a fool as you get away with
posting such inaccurate and misleading information and pretend it's factual!
[[:-)]]  But to get to the point, Star Trek was never said to be set in
the 21st century.  They were vague during the series, saying "22nd or 23rd"
if they said anything at all, but the first title in ST:TMP is "In the
twenty-third century".  Also, they were not TABLE utensils, but tray utensils,
as in the one yeoman Rand was carrying to Kirk when she comes across the salt
vampire in one of its other forms.

>	They were developed for "Mantrap" . . .
>	Dave Butenhof
Well, it depends on how you mean "developed".  Roddenberry sent out someone
(I've forgotten exactly whom, but it was probably Feinberg) to find some
real salt shakers that looked futuristic.  Not one was designed or fabricated
by the prop makers for Star Trek.  However, they did adapt them somewhat for
McCoy's instruments.  By the way, I think I heard that the salt shakers
(used as same in "Man Trap") actually came from the NBC commissary or some
such place.  Anyone know the details on that reference?

If you're looking for something besides trivia to discuss here, I've been
saving up some of the things I've been hearing about the upcoming movie.
(Only 22 more days!)  I'll post it in about a week in a spoiler article.
	Roger Noe		ihnp4!ihlts!rjnoe