alb@alice.UUCP (Adam L. Buchsbaum) (06/04/84)
Forgive me if these have been brought up already, but I have been skipping the spoilers until having seen the movie. 1) How come Savik didn't know to bring Spock back to Vulcan at the end of ST II? If she did, why did she let Kirk leave him on Genesis? 2) Why didn't Starfleet use the prefix code to stop Kirk from stealing the Enterprise? 3) What was the timespan of ST II? It didn't seem very long at all. Recall that the Enterprise had just been refitted. Why, all of a sudden, is it not going to be refitted? It's not like it's been out for years, after all, just one short journey since a major overhaul. Makes the overhaul go to waste. 4) When the Enterprise was entering Spacedock, and they showed the lounge and its patrons ooo'ing and ah'ing, they showed one woman's face; she was shaking her head. Who was she, and what was her purpose in the movie? I thought then that she was some higher-up, disgusted with what Kirk had done to the ship, and about to take away his command; I was surprised to find out she had no further part in the movie. It left sort of a hole. A few general comments now. I liked the movie a lot, but it seemed very Vaudevillish for a ST movie; I like humor, but maybe they put in too much for this type of film. In particular, the captains of the Excelsior and the Grissom were much too corny. I didn't like them at all. James Doohan seems to have gained a lot of weight. Also, he and DeForest Kelley looked much older than in ST II. As for DeForest, his age appearance kept going back and forth in the film (from young to old). I found myself much more upset by the death of David and the destruction of the Enterprise than I was by Spock's death. Maybe it's because I knew that Spock was going to die, but, then again, I knew the Enterprise would be destroyed. When it was destroyed, I let out a big yelp. David's death, though, really shocked me. Not so much when it happened as it did today, one day later. It really hit me tonight; I can't really describe it, bit I feel sickened (not that they did it in the movie, but that the Klingons killed him) and very grievous. I can't get that scene out of my mind. Overall, I liked it a lot. I liked ST II better (more action, more believable, and I think more entertaining), but I liked ST III a lot.
julian@osu-dbs.UUCP (Julian Gomez) (06/05/84)
> Why, all of a sudden, is it not going to be refitted? It's > not like it's been out for years, after all, just one short > journey since a major overhaul. Makes the overhaul go to waste. No, it definitely needed refitting. It got kinda banged up in the last movie, which you can see when it docks. Now, another one: whatever happened to the elevators that everyone talked to? Kirk was actually pushing buttons for his destinations! Julian "a tribble took it" Gomez Computer Graphics Research Group, Ohio State Univ. ucbvax!cbosg!osu-cgrg!julian
alb@alice.UUCP (Adam L. Buchsbaum) (06/05/84)
About the refitting, you miss the point. Before ST II, the Enterprise had just been in for (another) major overhaul/modernization. All it needed afterwards was a little repair (most if not all of the systems were working; looked like the only problem was the exterior hull). Seems like the major overhaul was just wasted because the icing was spoiled a bit.
jlp@inmet.UUCP (06/06/84)
#R:alice:-282200:inmet:8500023:000:2370 inmet!jlp Jun 5 13:00:00 1984 {} 1) How come Savik didn't know to bring Spock back to Vulcan at the end of ST II? If she did, why did she let Kirk leave him on Genesis? Saavik was raised Romulan, wasn't she? At least, she wasn't raised Vulcan. When Spock took her under tutelage, one may assume that he instructed her in Vulcan Discipline, but not yet get around to complete intruction in Vulcan culture ( although, for some reason, she did know about Ponn Farr ). 2) Why didn't Starfleet use the prefix code to stop Kirk from stealing the Enterprise? Excellent hole. Indeed, was this not the very circumstance the prefix was designed for ( regaining control of a ship in "hostile" hands )? Since the prefix code is a communications/computer function, though, it may have been sabotaged by Uhura and Scott. 3) What was the timespan of ST II? It didn't seem very long at all. Recall that the Enterprise had just been refitted. Why, all of a sudden, is it not going to be refitted? It's not like it's been out for years, after all, just one short journey since a major overhaul. Makes the overhaul go to waste. You're mixing timespans. Enterprise was refitted in STI. When Kirk returned with refitted Enterprise, they had been out shaking her down. From that time, in which Nagura was Kirk's superior, and the uniforms were inferior, we go to STII. A new captain of the Enterprise ( Spock ) a new mission ( training vessel ), and a new superior officer ( Morrow ). That could very easily be anything from 1 to 5 years. It is not unreasonable for an old ship to be refitted to make it suitable for a trainging vessel ( witness the Battleship USS New Jersey ). 4) When the Enterprise was entering Spacedock, and they showed the lounge and its patrons ooo'ing and ah'ing, they showed one woman's face; she was shaking her head. Who was she, and what was her purpose in the movie? I thought then that she was some higher-up, disgusted with what Kirk had done to the ship, and about to take away his command; I was surprised to find out she had no further part in the movie. It left sort of a hole. That was the cameo appearance of transporter chief Janis Rand ( Grace Lee Whitney ). The Organ Keyboard of Jerryl Payne {ihnp4,esquire,harpo}!inmet!jlp
barnett@ut-sally.UUCP (Lewis Barnett) (06/07/84)
[Good Day from the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation] If I read the credits aright, (I didn't really recognize the woman when the scene flashed past) the woman staring through the ports as the enterprise docked was not Nurse Chapel (now a Doctor, if I'm not mistaken), but Yeoman Rand (Grace Lee Whitney). "Nothing going on down here..." Lewis Barnett,CS Dept, Painter Hall 3.28, Univ. of Texas, Austin, TX 78712 -- barnett@ut-sally.ARPA, barnett@ut-sally.UUCP, {ihnp4,seismo,ctvax}!ut-sally!barnett
merchant@dartvax.UUCP (06/07/84)
{ Eat my grits } You can't really say that the Enterprise was okay. It was moving, due to the fact that Scotty is a technical genius. But, they never said how fast it came home. As for the elevators, I noticed that, too. That kind of grimmed me, too, that the elevators on the Excelsior not only listenned to what floor you wanted to go to, but said "Thank You." I hope Douglas Adams gets a gratuity for this obvious plagiarism from hitchhikers guide. If the doors start talking, too, he better call his lawyers.
merchant@dartvax.UUCP (06/07/84)
{" Shit, yes! Now that you mention it, that did look like Doctor Chapel. Which explains why she was so shocked and crying when she saw the Enterprise. She also probably heard about Spock's death and was extremely bummed. Good eyes!
john@hp-pcd.UUCP (06/12/84)
(4) The Woman in the space dock. I believe she was at various times: #2 (in the original pilot) Nurse Chappal Mrs Gene Roddenbury John Eaton !hplabs!hp-pcd!john
lmaher@uokvax.UUCP (06/19/84)
#R:alice:-282200:uokvax:5800022:000:863 uokvax!lmaher Jun 19 00:35:00 1984 2) In ST2, Kirk mentioned that the Prefix code would only work if Khan were unaware of it. Obviously, an aware crew can change it, and this is undoubtedly one of the first things Kirk & Co did. As well, it is only known (for obvious security reasons) to Admiral-level officers, and no one had time to get one to a starship (the Excelsior) in time to stop the Enterprise. Even more, no one on the Excelsior would even think of getting an Admiral to stop the Enterprise, because they don't even know the codes exist! To have put in a line where Scotty says "By the by, Captain, I'm disabling our override code." would have been an enormous insult to the intelligence of all Trek fans and sapient life forms everywhere. :-) Which is not to say it wasn't a good question to ask. Carl (formerly uok!crigney) ..!ctvax!uokvax!lmaher ..!duke!uok!uokvax!lmaher
julian@osu-dbs.UUCP (Julian Gomez) (06/22/84)
> 2) In ST2, Kirk mentioned that the Prefix code would only work if Khan > were unaware of it. Obviously, an aware crew can change it, and this > is undoubtedly one of the first things Kirk & Co did. As well, it is > only known (for obvious security reasons) to Admiral-level officers, Spock knew about it in TWOK, and he's not Admiral level. Seems like Checkhov or Sulu knew also.
byron@eosp1.UUCP (Byron Han) (06/22/84)
Maybe knowledge about the prefix code is given to all senior officers who are in COMMAND positions. Note that Spock was/is a Captain, as was Sulu. And everyone is expecting Checkov to become one soon (at least that was the impression given in the series that he was a Kirk in the making). Therefore, the prefix code knowledge is not limited to Admirals. after all if you were a captain and the klingon's got your prefix code, you should be able to do something about that. If you didn't know what was going on, well it would be bye-bye forever! <bh>