friedman@uiucdcs.UUCP (06/13/84)
#R:edison:-26200:uiucdcs:24900048:000:670 uiucdcs!friedman Jun 13 11:38:00 1984 > About the Klingons speaking English: obviously the average Klingon didn't > speak English, ("The only thing speaking is the computer." "Let me hear it!") > so the high ranking Klingons, being suspicious like a good Klingon should, > spoke English when they didn't want their crew to know what they were > saying... I simply assumed that they got tired (or thought the audience would have gotten tired) of using subtitles, and that the Klingons continued to speak Klingonaase among themselves. It does seem clear that Kruge, at least, spoke Fed Standard (i.e., English for the purpose of the movie), since he expected to (and did) understand the Enterprise computer.
jso@edison.UUCP (06/16/84)
About the Klingons speaking English: obviously the average Klingon didn't
speak English, ("The only thing speaking is the computer." "Let me hear it!")
so the high ranking Klingons, being suspicious like a good Klingon should,
spoke English when they didn't want their crew to know what they were
saying...
I think the biggest disappointment of the movie wasn't the destruction
of the Enterprise (it was going to be decommisioned anyway), or Spock's
return to life (consistent and almost archetypal), but the new Saavik.
She didn't seem Romulan in the least, and the lack of emotion wasn't
being Vulcan, it was just bad acting! Kirstie Alley (I've never seen
any other name misspelled in so many ways...) had the right combination
of tentative self-control, outspokenness, self-reliance, and fierceness.
(If you don't know what I'm talking about, read tWoK novel.) I would
have loved to see how she handled the Pon Farr scene. Too bad they
couldn't talk her into a reasonable contract... I hope that they either
don't feature Saavik too heavily in STIV, or at least give her a different
hair style! ( 1/2 :-) )
Most of the humor was real ST, but some was too silly to be funny, like
the sputtering noise of the Excelsior and the two Starship captains.
At least it was better than V'ger...
How about votes for favorite line/scene? My votes:
favorite line:
McCoy [With annoyance and emotion]: "To expect one to order poison
in a bar is not logical."
favorite scene:
Kirk and the others on the bridge in their civvies.
John Owens
...!{ {duke mcnc}!ncsu!uvacs houxm brl-bmd scgvaxd }!edison!jsojosie@ihuxw.UUCP (Johanna Clementz) (06/25/84)
In response to a recent article requesting reaction to the novel's love scene between David and Saavik... I thought it was very well written. It shows that Saavik has a multitude of strong emotions. We are able to get a glimpse of Romulan custom when David finds Saavik's "Romulan family mark" branded on her shoulder. This opens up several possible future stories... it is stated in the book that Saavik intends to "death-duel" her Romulan parent - should she have the misforture of meeting him/her. It would be a very interesting note of drama to see how Saavik would react to the parent. Would she want to kill? (which would be totally against Mr. Spock's teaching probably). In response to the mention of Saavik's knowledge of Vulcan rituals: I agree that most Vulcan's never discuss such things, but if so, how did Saavik know what was happening to Spock when he started to become affected by the Ponn Far? Even McCoy had to think about it for awhile before diagnosis in "Amok Time". In addition, I believe Spock was treated as an outcast as a child (children can be cruel), but is accepted fully in Vulcan society as an adult "You are much known among our people Spock - even as a legend...": T'pring in "Amok Time". Perhaps Saavik has also been accepted. Another note about the book: Saavik has the ability to "open her mental shields" in order to sense Spock's katra. Does Spock have this ability? (to control his mental shields so completely). In all of the novels I've read Spock can (effortlessly) "sense" Kirk's life force, but only because they have a "link" created from repeated deep mind melds ( remember how he brought Kirk's memory back after Miramanee's death? ) From what has been written about Saavik, It appears she may have different talents in this regard - and more/different control over them. Romulans and Vulcans are both telepathic races, but perhaps the Romulan ability/method has developed differently than Vulcan. Another point I'd like to speculate on is the importance of Dannan Stuart to the ST universe. For those of you who have not read the book, this character is Mr. Scott's neice; Peter's (from ST2) older sister. She is a "Starfleet pilot" under Hunter's command. There are several parts in the book dealing with Mr. Scott's disapproval of her (from her point of view). I don't think the character of Dannan in itself is significant, but I suspect it may indicate that the Excelsior may NOT be a temporary addition. Possible scenario: After Kirk "pays the piper" (probably setting it up to look like he forced the others to help him in order to get them off the hook). He is demoted to Captain and given the command of Yet Another experimental starship design (with turbo-warp or something). Kirk and his ship will be in constant competition with the Excelsior in order to decide the design of Starfleet vessels for the next decade. The question is what of Spock? Will he be able to function as the Captain of a Starship? Maybe he will request a demotion to Exec/Science officer in order to stay with Kirk. The idea of a Federation/Klingon war that was mentioned in the net sounds exciting. After wrapping up the loose ends from STIII (such as what will happen to Kirk and the others officially) we should be able to see some good space action. -- "I'll be gettin' back to my machines noo" Josie Clementz ihuxw!josie