[net.startrek] Spock's emotions

rtf@ihuxw.UUCP (06/24/83)

Three episodes in which Spock shows emotion.

	1. "Amok Time" where Spock rejoices after seeing Kirk alive.
	He supposedly killed Kirk in a battle over his fiancee.

	2. "The Naked Time" where Spock cries for never having told
	his mother that he loved her.  Much of the crew had caught
	the disease, transmitted by persperation, which acts like
	alcohol in the bloodstream.  Time warp was caused by controlled
	implosion of cold warp engines.

	3. The name escapes me where Spock is in love with an old
	flame played by Jill Ireland.  There are plants on this
	planet which inject spores in people making them happy
	and docile.  A side affect is perfect health and regeneration
	of lost or damaged organs, i.e. appendix, scared lung tissue.

	4. This one just occurred to me, name also lost, where
	the inhabitants of a doomed planet escape into the past.
	Mr. Atos the librarian wants to save them.  Kirk is trapped
	in 15th century England and Spock and McCoy are trapped 
	in an artic wasteland with Mariette Hartley.  Spock becomes
	savage like his anscestors and threatens to kill McCoy.

I don't agree that "The Menagerie" counts because Spock was 15 years
younger and because it was the first pilot his character had not yet
been fully developed.

					Sparrow

rst@houxu.UUCP (06/24/83)

able to name. Number three, the episode with the spores, is called 'This Side
of Paradise.' The other one, where Kirk, Spock, and McCoy are stranded back in
time, is called 'Tomorrow is Yesterday.'
	'The Naked Time,' which you mentioned was the title that I was unsure
of. I remembered the episode but not the title (heaven forgive me).
	BUT, I did say there were FIVE episodes (The Menagerie or other very
early shows excluded). I thought that the one you missed would be the easiest.
The name of that one is 'Plato's Stepchildren.' It's the one where Kirk, Spock,
and McCoy (and ultimately some others) beam down to a planet populated by
beings with formidable telekinetic powers. The head honcho forced Spock to cry,
laugh, and act like an idiot, using his telekinesis.
	Four out of five ain't bad!

	...houxu!rst
	Scott Thompson

rst@houxu.UUCP (06/24/83)

Sparrow is right about the four episodes he mentioned concerning Spock's emo-
tions. Here are all the titles:

	1. 'Amok Time' - aptly described by Sparrow.
	2. 'The Naked Time' - I had forgotten the title to this one.
	3. 'This Side of Paradise' - the one where the spores make Spock mind-
lessly happy.
	4. 'Tomorrow is Yesterday' - Spock, Kirk, and McCoy are stranded in the
past on some planet. Spock reverts to the Vulcan equivalent of a caveman.
	5. 'Plato's Stepchildren' - The big three beam down to a planet inhab-
ited by beings with formidable telekinetic powers. The head honcho forces Spock
to laugh, cry, and make a general idiot of himself, using his telekinesis.

Four out of five ain't bad, Sparrow!

	...houxu!rst
	Scott Thompson
 
 

woods@hao.UUCP (06/28/83)

  A correction on episode names: it was not "Naked Time", but "Amok Time"
(if you are referring to Spock's mating period, and I think you are, oh no,
I'm beginning to sound like Joe Bob Briggs!), and it is not "Tomorrow is
Yesterday", but "All Our Yesterdays" (where Spock goes back in time and falls
in lust with Mariette Hartley). 

                        GREG
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       		        !hao!woods

laura@utcsstat.UUCP (06/28/83)

I always thought that Spock showed emotions in almost every episode.
After all, in almost every episode Spock and McCoy exchange friendly
insults and arguments. Why does Spock bother? either he feels
he has some pride to maintain or it is fun.

Laura Creighton
utzoo!utcsstat!laura

larry@grkermit.UUCP (Larry Kolodney) (06/29/83)

From Laura Creighton:

I always thought that Spock showed emotions in almost every episode.
After all, in almost every episode Spock and McCoy exchange friendly
insults and arguments. Why does Spock bother? either he feels
he has some pride to maintain or it is fun.


For that matter, Spock showed an implicit irrationality by his mere existence 
on the Enterprise.  If he were truly purely logical, he would realize that
utter meaningless of life and that there was no particular reason why he
should support the federation or work on the enterprise.  If he was doing it
to satisfy personal needs, then surely those needs are based in some sort of 
instinct.  Perhaps he sees what he does as the best way to survive.  But why
should he survive.  Why is survival more rational than death.  Obviously the
INSTINCT of survival has a part here.
-- 
Larry Kolodney
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lab@qubix.UUCP (06/29/83)

Let us not forget the episode in which George Samuel Kirk ("only
you call him Sam" quoth the android) died. Deneva had been invaded
by cell-like creatures that attacked and took over the nervous
system. One of them nailed Spock. While in Sick Bay, it overcame
Spock and caused him to (rather violently) leave Sick Bay, go to
the Bridge and try to take over the helm. Spock did not exactly
look calm then.

Scott, you still forgot (as others noted) "Is there in truth no
beauty?" (with the Medusan Ambassador) and "Menagerie"

Larry Bickford, {ucbvax,decvax}!decwrl!qubix!lab

rst@houxu.UUCP (06/30/83)

OK.
Is There No Truth in Beauty?
Plato's Stepchildren
Operation: Annihilate
Devil in the Dark
The Naked Time 
Amok Time
This Side of Paradise
Return to Tomorrow
All Our Yesterdays

This is the official list. (I'm sorry, early episodes like the Menagerie don't
count!)

wix@bergil.DEC (Jack Wickwire) (07/16/84)

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Re:  Paul Onnen's remarks on "Where No Man Has Gone Before"
 
The doctor's name was Mark Piper.  I'm not sure how many episodes
it took for Spock to stop yelling.  He yells once or twice in
"The Corbomite Manuever", but not so vigorously.  Incidentally,
I think I know WHY he was yelling.  Except for one or two
anomalous incidents where he yells at Kirk over ship's intercom,
he yells when he's at his science station and needs to be heard
by people in the center seat or at the helm-and-navigation
console.  It's possible that Leonard Nimoy thought that the
size of the Bridge necessitated raising one's voice to be
heard across it.  When Spock is in the center seat, he doesn't
yell at the people at helm and navigation.  This is, at least,
a comforting theory.  What I want to know is, how long did it
take Spock to stop GRINNING without benefit of drugs, spores,
or alien beings?  (He grins in "Mudd's Women" as he hands
Mudd et al. over to the unsuspecting Kirk.)
 
St. Olaf College, huh?  I went to Carleton.
 
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