boyajian@akov68.DEC (Jerry Boyajian) (08/14/84)
> From: pur-ee!dwm 11-Aug-1984 06:55:36 > > Why couldn't the Enterprise have exploded on the far side of the planet > and simply not have lit up the sky because the planet shadowed the effect? No reason at all, actually. That's not the problem, though. When the anti-matter in the ship's engines was released due to the self-destruct, it's contact with near-by matter should have created an explosion that would have taken out the entire planet. Hmmm, something else just occurred to me. If the Genesis-created planet aged and self-destructed because of the use of protomatter, why didn't the Genesis-creat- ed sun? --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, Maynard, MA) UUCP: {decvax|ihnp4|allegra|ucbvax|...}!decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-akov68!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%akov68.DEC@DECWRL.ARPA
hartwig@ihuxo.UUCP (The Shaggy DA) (08/15/84)
<for the line self-destruct> >Hmmm, something else just occurred to me. If the Genesis-created >planet aged and self-destructed because of the use of protomatter, >why didn't the Genesis-created sun? NOTE: The following speculations are based on the assumption that the Genesis solar system follows our solar system as a model. I don't remember seeing the sun after(or during) the destruction of the planet. The chances of the sun self-destructing(going nova) would be slim, because it is the same type of star as our sun(a red dwarf). The Genesis sun could have been expanding rapidly into a red giant, as it aged, thus changing the gravitational and climatic effects(remember the wind?) on the planet. So the planet breaks up with the help of the increased gravity pull from the enlarging sun. Max Hartwig ..!ihnp4!ihuxo!hartwig
mcdaniel@uiucdcsb.UUCP (08/16/84)
#R:ihuxo:-36100:uiucdcsb:16000004:000:753 uiucdcsb!mcdaniel Aug 16 01:33:00 1984 You know, there is such a thing as the speed of light. If the sun had gone nova at the "same instant" as the planet blew up, the light and other effects from its explosion would have arrived on the order of 10 minutes later -- long enough for the Bird of Prey to get out. The sun and the planet need not explode simultaneously, or even when the signal from one's explosion reaches the other at light speed. The planet just may have happened to blow up well before the sun. (You have two different mixtures of nitro plus other stuff, on an increasingly vibrating surface. Which one goes off first? Unpredicable and unrepeatable. Chem people: please don't flame if the nitro actually wouldn't blow up in such circumstances -- just see the analogy.)
friedman@uiucdcs.UUCP (08/16/84)
#R:decwrl:-332300:uiucdcs:24900059:000:1006 uiucdcs!friedman Aug 16 08:51:00 1984 > Hmmm, something else just occurred to me. If the Genesis-created planet > aged and self-destructed because of the use of protomatter, why didn't > the Genesis-created sun? Well, it did, if you believe the novelization. In that version, the planet spiraled in and dropped into the sun, and afterward (if I remember it correctly), the Genesis sun novaed, producing something like the original nebula. The main problem I see with this is that Kirk and Co. could not have observed it; it would have taken at least a good fraction of a year (a Genesis-planet year, but even so, much more time than they were around). The second time I watched the movie, I was watching the planet carefully as they escaped aboard the Bird of Prey, with jets of lava spewing out behind them. And I'm not so sure you can conclude from those lava jets that the planet actually exploded. Perhaps it was merely shooting out jets of lava (compare the height of the sulphur-lava known to be ejected by Jupiter's satellite Io).
bsa@ncoast.UUCP (The WITNESS) (08/17/84)
[The world is a Klein bottle] > From: boyajian@akov68.DEC (Jerry Boyajian) > Hmmm, something else just occurred to me. If the Genesis-created planet aged and > self-destructed because of the use of protomatter, why didn't the Genesis-creat- > ed sun? According to the novel, it DID... after the scene of the action shifted away from Genesis ("How convenient!" :-). --bsa -- Brandon Allbery: decvax!cwruecmp{!atvax}!ncoast!bsa: R0176@CSUOHIO.BITNET ^ Note name change! 6504 Chestnut Road, Independence, OH 44131 <> (216) 524-1416 "The more they overthink the plumbin', the easier 'tis tae stop up the drain."