rjnoe@ihlts.UUCP (Roger Noe) (08/13/84)
> I believe the name of the episode in which the children were rescued > was called 'The Dark Angel'. It was titled "And the Children Shall Lead". Or you could say that "Miri" was also an episode in which the children were rescued. You could even say that about "The Devil in the Dark", if you really want to stretch things. > There will *not* be physical evidence of the passages of the > Enterprise, Grissom, and Klingon. The planet blew up! i suspect that > all such evidence within a certain radius will be wiped out. in any > event specifically what happenned around the planet will be gone. What, even evidence like electromagnetic radiation from various sources? You don't think that Starfleet can keep track of at least every large ship, particularly when they watch it leave Earth orbit? What about the dozens of monitoring probes they operate? Grissom will be placed at Genesis at that time by its previous transmissions. Enterprise surely must have been tracked the whole way from Earth to Genesis, with arrival time pinpointed. (What would be the first thing Capt. Esteban would do upon arriving in the Genesis system? Right, set up a few monitoring satellites.) Also, the time they departed from Genesis in Bird of Prey is probably known because the only sensible thing to do when romping around Federation territory in a Klingon warship is to let everybody know what you are doing! (In the book, Saavik actually does this.) Also, I wish to point out that Genesis did NOT "blow up". What happened is that the gravitational stresses turned the thing into a molten mass, a "proto- planet". It might evolve into an ordinary planet, given a few billion years. > Somewhere i seem to remember a reference that says or implies that the > Enterprise automaticly jettisons its log buoy when the self-destruct > sequence begins. . . . Even so, it might not say much about the battle > as no one had time to make a formal entry in the log. It's not the log entries that are of most interest, it's the alert record made by the computers, i.e. the "flight recorder". I don't remember any such reference, but I did recently speculate myself upon that possibility. > Kirk & company STOLE a Constitution-class starship! And then they > destroyed it! Regardless of the circumstances, they are out of > Starfleet, at least for ST IV. You are missing the big picture. The Federation was stuck in what is probably the most difficult position they have ever been in. If it turns out that Kirk has helped them out of that predicament, the politicians that run UFP (and therefore, Starfleet) will think at least twice before going after Kirk. Nixon did far worse things than Kirk has, but he got in no trouble. However, I am still all for Kirk getting kicked out of Starfleet as a cover for a dangerous mission. He needs to prove that he's still a team player and they need good PR. -- "It's only by NOT taking the human race seriously that I retain what fragments of my once considerable mental powers I still possess." Roger Noe ihnp4!ihlts!rjnoe
merchant@dartvax.UUCP (Peter Merchant) (08/15/84)
{ Jim Kirk is not a crook }
Nixon didn't have anything happen to him. Nah...he only lost his job.
Shouldn't Jim also lose his job?
Okay, okay, I admit it. I haven't read the book. I love how weak Starfleet
is with it's security if they are going to trust some crazy guy's word who is
flying around in a Klingon Battle Cruiser.
"Hi Star Fleet Control, this is Jim Kirk."
"Yes, Mud, go right ahead."
"Kirk. You know. Admiral Kirk. Anyway, I blew up that ship that I stole
and I just stole this Klingon 'Bird of Prey'. I'm going to be taking Spock
to Vulcan, now. If you see this 'Bird of Prey', it is only me. Don't shoot,
okay?"
"Who is this really? Am I on 'Candid Camera'?"
See? For all Star Fleet knew, there was a Klingon standing right behind Saavik
sticking a phaser in her ear and saying "Now, then, sweet thing. Tell Starfleet
that we are cool dudes or I'm going to fry your brains."
So, what you're telling me is Star Fleet just let them through because Saavik
called up and said it was okay?
Damn, I hope there is a battle. Those boys DESERVE to lose.
--
"But would it change her expression?" Peter Merchant
-- Random Person Reading Over My Shoulderrjnoe@ihlts.UUCP (Roger Noe) (08/20/84)
> Shouldn't Jim also lose his job? Exactly my point. Until and unless he does something to deserve the trust of Starfleet once again. > For all Star Fleet knew, there was a Klingon standing right behind > Saavik sticking a phaser in her ear and saying "Now, then, sweet thing. > Tell Starfleet that we are cool dudes or I'm going to fry your brains." > So, what you're telling me is Star Fleet just let them through because > Saavik called up and said it was okay? In Saavik's case, I doubt she could be coerced merely by having a phaser stuck in her ear. Remember, she's half Vulcan, half Romulan, and brought up as more of a wild animal than either of those. She now has the discipline of a Starfleet officer to add to that. Starfleet knows all that. What would you think if someone warned you that a Klingon scout ship was going from Genesis to Vulcan with NO defenses activated? Would you shoot on sight? That would be stupid. More likely stand at yellow alert with all YOUR defenses activated and prepared for a suicide run (by the Klingon vessel). -- "It's only by NOT taking the human race seriously that I retain what fragments of my once considerable mental powers I still possess." Roger Noe ihnp4!ihlts!rjnoe