swc@cbscc.UUCP (Scott W. Collins) (07/12/84)
I just saw this episode last night here in Columbus and it occurred to me: If the Enterprise (and all its people) dissappeared (never existed) after McCoy went through the Gateway (Guardian), why didn't the remaining crew on the planet also go <poof> ? Any theories? Only thing I can figure is that they were held by the presence of the Guardian.. Still is my all time fave, though. Scott W. Collins ATT - Bell Labs @ Columbus
bsw@cbosgd.UUCP (Ben Walls) (07/13/84)
I just saw that episode, too. And, That also bothered me a bit. But maybe the Planet of the Gaurdian was like a null-time zone or something, and since Kirk and gang were down there, past and present did not effect them. Or meebee noo, Ben Walls ...cbosgd!bsw
prg@mgweed.UUCP (Phil Gunsul) (07/14/84)
This is one of the greats!!! I haven't seen it in a long time, but didn't the crew that remained on the surface mention that they saw Kirk and Spock jump through, and instantly jump back?? Obiviously caught in a time warp!! What is even more interesting, and even would support this, is that after the the doctor jumped through, time did not stop for the people on the surface (must have been 'nested' time warps!?). What I'm trying to say is that had the crew remaining on the ship been observing the surface, they should have seen the doctor jump through, and the next instant, the three of them jump back out!!
merchant@dartvax.UUCP (Peter Merchant) (07/14/84)
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Precisely that. I believe Spock mentions something on the bridge about how
all these foofy timelines intersect at this planet. Ergo, we can assume
that the planet was safe from being messed with.
I agree. That was a marvelous episode.
--
"I found us a place to flop..." Peter Merchantswc@cbscc.UUCP (Scott W. Collins) (10/31/84)
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Ah, my all-time favorite was on last night. I decided to tape the accident
scene at the end. After careful studying (things happened fast), I noticed
several things:
* Spock's voice, when he called out to Jim to not save Edith's life
was dubbed over with a double. It sounded like the voice of an
alien in the "V" movie/series.
* Spock showed genuine emotion when reunited with McCoy; grabbing his
arm in an embrace with the three of them and shaking Bones' hand A
LOT.
* From the staging of the moves and the facial expressions, it would
appear that Harlan Ellison has a surrealistic streak in him. I
have only read one of his works, so pardon me if I am mistaken...
* The part where they show the truck hitting Edith was pretty inter-
esting in slow-motion. They actually had a truck (or a fake front
end of one) hit her slightly.
* Back on the planetoid, the faces of Uhura and Scotty were quite
interesting as they stood puzzled at the numbness conveyed by Kirk.
Sigh. To have a group of trekkies to nit-pick with...
Scott W. Collins
ATT - Bare Rubber Trees (Columbus)swc@cbscc.UUCP (Scott W. Collins) (11/04/84)
I lost Ron Lipsius' (sp?) address, but I have determined the answer to his question from my COTEOF Fotonovel. On beam-down to the planet, there was Uhura, Spock, Scotty, Kirk, and two security guards. At the end, on beam- up there was the above list plus Bones to make seven! Could Harlan Ellison have made a boo-boo, or did the film editors? Scott W. Collins ATT - Bare Rubber Trees p.s. this is in response to a direct-mailing to me, for those of you who have no idea where the QUESTION came from...
barmar@mit-eddie.UUCP (Barry Margolin) (11/05/84)
In article <3989@cbscc.UUCP> swc@cbscc.UUCP (Scott W. Collins) writes: > * From the staging of the moves and the facial expressions, it would > appear that Harlan Ellison has a surrealistic streak in him. I > have only read one of his works, so pardon me if I am mistaken... What does Harlan Ellison have to do with these things? He wrote the original teleplay, which was rewritten a great deal, but even that doesn't matter. The comments above refer to the work of the DIRECTOR and the actors. By this time in the filming of the episode, Ellison had already stopped working with them in disgust at what they did to his story. It is interesting to read Ellison's original teleplay, by the way. It is in a collection entitled something like "6 Short Science Fiction Plays." -- Barry Margolin ARPA: barmar@MIT-Multics UUCP: ..!genrad!mit-eddie!barmar
herbie@watdcsu.UUCP (Herb Chong, Computing Services) (11/05/84)
Didn't McCoy beam down first and then the others followed him down? I
thought that was how the story went. Also, with 6-person transporters,
how did they beam 7 people up at once? Wouldn't this overload
something or scramble parts of someone? Obviously this didn't happen,
but it is an interesting question.
Herb Chong...
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BITNET: herbie at watdcs,herbie at watdcsuboyajian@akov68.DEC (Jerry Boyajian) (11/06/84)
> From: mit-eddie!barmar (Barry Margolin) > It is interesting to read Ellison's original teleplay, by the way. It > is in a collection entitled something like "6 Short Science Fiction > Plays." The interesting thing I find about Ellison's ranting and raving about Rodden- berry's changing his script is that, personally, I feel that Roddenberry made the right decision in one major story element. In Ellison's original script, Kirk was going to save Edith Keeler's life, but Spock stops him. While I can see Ellison's possible reason for doing this --- the dramatic punch of Kirk losing the one woman for whom he *would* sacrifice an entire future --- I think it had much greater impact on the character for Kirk to stop McCoy. That scene of McCoy screaming "Do you know what you've done?" and Spock responding, "He knows, Doctor, he knows." is one that'll probably never stop haunting me. --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, Maynard, MA) UUCP: {decvax|ihnp4|allegra|ucbvax|...}!decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-akov68!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%akov68.DEC@DECWRL.ARPA
mnw@trwrba.UUCP (Michael N. Washington) (11/07/84)
>> From: mit-eddie!barmar (Barry Margolin) >> It is interesting to read Ellison's original teleplay, by the way. It >> is in a collection entitled something like "6 Short Science Fiction >> Plays." >The interesting thing I find about Ellison's ranting and raving about Rodden- >berry's changing his script is that, personally, I feel that Roddenberry made >the right decision in one major story element. In Ellison's original script, >Kirk was going to save Edith Keeler's life, but Spock stops him. While I can >see Ellison's possible reason for doing this --- the dramatic punch of Kirk >losing the one woman for whom he *would* sacrifice an entire future -- I think >it had much greater impact on the character for Kirk to stop McCoy. That scene >of McCoy screaming "Do you know what you've done?" and Spock responding, "He >knows, Doctor, he knows." is one that'll probably never stop haunting me. >--- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, Maynard, MA) >UUCP: {decvax|ihnp4|allegra|ucbvax|...}!decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-akov68!boyajian >ARPA: boyajian%akov68.DEC@DECWRL.ARPA Jerry Boyajian has a very good point. I find the way Roddenberry and company handled the ending to the story of The City on the Edge of Forever quite well. I was much more dramatically effective for Kirk to stop McCoy and Spock to say what he did than it would have been for Spock to stop the Captain. I never had the pleasure of reading the original script, but (and usually I do not like script changes, they are usually for the worse) I would probably have done the same thing. "Live Long and Prosper!" Michael N. Washington TRW E&DS Redondo Beach, Ca. 90278 {ucbvax,decvax,hplabs}!trwrb!trwrba!mnw
elb@hou5e.UUCP (11/07/84)
Very interesting comment about the impact of Kirk stopping McCoy-- especially when you consider that McCoy represents Kirk's emotional intuitive half and Spock his rational half. ellen bart "its only a show -- but boy what a show !"
stoner@qumix.UUCP (David Stone) (11/08/84)
> Didn't McCoy beam down first and then the others followed him down? I > thought that was how the story went. Also, with 6-person transporters, > how did they beam 7 people up at once? Wouldn't this overload > something or scramble parts of someone? Obviously this didn't happen, > but it is an interesting question. > > Herb Chong... > > I'm user-friendly -- I don't byte, I nybble.... > > UUCP: {decvax|utzoo|ihnp4|allegra|clyde}!watmath!watdcsu!herbie > CSNET: herbie%watdcsu@waterloo.csnet > ARPA: herbie%watdcsu%waterloo.csnet@csnet-relay.arpa > BITNET: herbie at watdcs,herbie at watdcsu I think Herb is right,McCoy was giving Sulu some super heart restart juice and the Enterprise was jolted by some kind of space time warp from the planet.McCoy shot himself up went crazy and beamed down to the planet in a frenzy and the other six followed to catch him. As far as the seven beamed back up at the end of the show I don't remember but maybe one of the red shirts go it again! :-) P.S. I'm new on the net so please be patient / I love mail so feel free to drop me a line. Stoner...<Dave Stone@qumix>
tfitzger@uokvax.UUCP (11/08/84)
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Ah, my all-time favorite was on last night. I decided to tape the accident
scene at the end. After careful studying (things happened fast), I noticed
several things:
* Spock's voice, when he called out to Jim to not save Edith's life
was dubbed over with a double. It sounded like the voice of an
alien in the "V" movie/series.
* Spock showed genuine emotion when reunited with McCoy; grabbing his
arm in an embrace with the three of them and shaking Bones' hand A
LOT.
* From the staging of the moves and the facial expressions, it would
appear that Harlan Ellison has a surrealistic streak in him. I
have only read one of his works, so pardon me if I am mistaken...
* The part where they show the truck hitting Edith was pretty inter-
esting in slow-motion. They actually had a truck (or a fake front
end of one) hit her slightly.
* Back on the planetoid, the faces of Uhura and Scotty were quite
interesting as they stood puzzled at the numbness conveyed by Kirk.
Sigh. To have a group of trekkies to nit-pick with...
Scott W. Collins
ATT - Bare Rubber Trees (Columbus)
/* ---------- */mnw@trwrba.UUCP (Michael N. Washington) (11/08/84)
>Didn't McCoy beam down first and then the others followed him down? I >thought that was how the story went. Also, with 6-person transporters, >how did they beam 7 people up at once? Wouldn't this overload >something or scramble parts of someone? Obviously this didn't happen, >but it is an interesting question. > >Herb Chong... > >I'm user-friendly -- I don't byte, I nybble.... > >UUCP: {decvax|utzoo|ihnp4|allegra|clyde}!watmath!watdcsu!herbie >CSNET: herbie%watdcsu@waterloo.csnet >ARPA: herbie%watdcsu%waterloo.csnet@csnet-relay.arpa >BITNET: herbie at watdcs,herbie at watdcsu McCoy beamed down first, then the others followed. More than six people can beam up at once, but only six can be materialized at once. The episode that Michael Ansara was in as a Klingon commander, Kirk and party had been captured on the planet. Kang (Ansara) ordered all beamed up, so he could capture the Enterprise. Kirk ordered the transporter operator to beam all up, but only materialize the Federation personnell so he could summon security, then materialized the Klingons (etc. I haven't seen this episode in a while, so my facts may be sketchy). So, I think more can be beamed up at once, but no more than six can be materialized at the same time. The others are saved in the transporter beams until such time the operator can materialize them. "Live Long and Prosper!" Michael N. Washington TRW E&DS Redondo Beach, Ca. 90278 {ucbvax,decvax,hplabs}!trwrb!trwrba!mnw
isiw@druri.UUCP (WattIS) (11/08/84)
Yeah, all good and well, but you forgot the *really* wild part of this episode: JOAN COLLINS plays Edith! I mean - from save-the-world to superbitch!
bsa@ncoast.UUCP (Brandon Allbery) (11/09/84)
> Article <176@qumix.UUCP>, from stoner@qumix.UUCP (David Stone) +---------------- | > Didn't McCoy beam down first and then the others followed him down? I | > thought that was how the story went. Also, with 6-person transporters, | > how did they beam 7 people up at once? Wouldn't this overload | > something or scramble parts of someone? Obviously this didn't happen, | > but it is an interesting question. | > | > Herb Chong... | > | > I'm user-friendly -- I don't byte, I nybble.... | > | > UUCP: {decvax|utzoo|ihnp4|allegra|clyde}!watmath!watdcsu!herbie | > CSNET: herbie%watdcsu@waterloo.csnet | > ARPA: herbie%watdcsu%waterloo.csnet@csnet-relay.arpa | > BITNET: herbie at watdcs,herbie at watdcsu | | I think Herb is right,McCoy was giving Sulu some super heart | restart juice and the Enterprise was jolted by some kind of | space time warp from the planet.McCoy shot himself up | went crazy and beamed down to the planet in a frenzy and | the other six followed to catch him. | | As far as the seven beamed back up at the end of the show I | don't remember but maybe one of the red shirts go it again! | :-) | | | P.S. I'm new on the net so please be patient / I love mail so | feel free to drop me a line. | | Stoner...<Dave Stone@qumix> Nope -- the red shirts, for a change, don't get zapped. I suspect they used *two* transporters; doesn't the Enterprise have 4 of them? (Yes, according to my Star Fleet Tech Manual.) Two are on the port side, Deck 7, separated by a corridor; the other two are in mirror-image positions on the starboard side. Why not beam four to T.R.1 and the other three to T.R.2? --bsa -- Brandon Allbery @ North Coast Xenix | the.world!ucbvax!decvax!cwruecmp! 6504 Chestnut Road, Independence, Ohio | {atvax!}ncoast!{tdi1!}bsa (216) 524-1416 \ 44131 | E1439@CSUOHIO.BITNET (friend's acct.) ---------------------------------------+--------------------------------------- `Confusion is my natural state.'
mnw@trwrba.UUCP (Michael N. Washington) (11/12/84)
Just for interest, here in LA, the episode, "The City on the Edge of Forever"
will air on Tuesday, Nov. 13, 1984. I plan to watch it carefully. If there
is something that I notice strange, I will post it on the net. If there is
anything someone want me to watch for, send mail or post it on the net.
"Live Long and Prosper!"
Michael N. Washington
TRW E&DS Redondo Beach, Ca. 90278
{ucbvax,decvax,hplabs}!trwrb!trwrba!mnwfriesen@psivax.UUCP (Stanley Friesen) (11/15/84)
<> I watched that episode when it aired here yesterday, and I very carefully counted the number beaming in the last scene. There *were* definately *seven* beaming up simultaneously. "Peace and Long Life"