[net.startrek] Deflectors and ST 4

okamoto@ucbvax.ARPA (Jeff Okamoto) (11/19/84)

*** REPLACE THIS LINE WITH YOUR MESSAGE ***

In the TV series, the words "shields", and "deflectors" were used
interchangeably.  They referred to the one layer of protection that
the Enterprise had.

In ST-TMP, there were suddenly three layers of protection.  Sulu
remarked "The new force fields held" after surviving one hit from
V-Ger's green bolts.  Later Decker recommended, "I recommend a defensive
posture -- screens and shields."  I realize that the words "shields"
that Decker used could mean the same as Sulu's "Force fields".

In St-TWOK, it seemed that we were back (or still) at two layers.
When Kirk ordered yellow alert when first confronted by the Reliant,
Saavik said, "Energize defense fields."  Unfortunately for the
Enterprise, these were not enough to stop Khan's point-blank phaser
barrage.  Remarks about "shields" seemed to refer to the major
defense against attack.

In case anyone's interested, the extremely tentative title for ST 4
is "The Trial of Admiral Kirk."  Shades of "Court Martial?"  And are
they going to read off all of Kirk's numerous decorations?  Trivia
question:  Name all of Kirk's decorations.  Answer:  Impossible.
Lt. McGivers (?) cut off the computer in "Court Martial" so we'll never
know (unless they finally do it in ST 4).  

An interesting observation:  The color of the Enterprise's photon
torpedoes changes color between the two movies.  In ST-TMP they
are blue and the Klingon's are orange.  In ST-TWOK, not only are the
photon torpedoes red, but the phasers, which used to be blue (and even
before that they looked like the photon torpedoes), are now also orange!
What's next?  Chartreuse? :-)  Also notice that in the series, the
Klingon's disruptors looked like little missiles that supposedly
came from the front of the engine nacelles.  Now they come from
where one would expect them to, from the tube in front.
Anybody also notice that the color of the main sensor dish in front
of the secondary hull also changed color between the two movies?

One really wonders about the "ponn farr" scenes in ST-TSFS.  Did Spock
and Saavik actually consummate the mating?  Or did they just leave off
rubbing fingers together?  Who knows?

And what will become of the USS Excelsior?  With it's superwarp whose
drain can easily be stopped up, will it ever fly?


That's all for now.

Jeff Okamoto
okamoto%ucbvax@Berkeley.ARPA
ucbvax!okamoto
"Don't call ME Tiny!"

ron@wjvax.UUCP (Ron Christian) (11/20/84)

Did Saavik and Spock consummate pon far?  According to
George Taki in a lecture in San Francisco not too long
ago, this is going to be a major point in ST IV.  Like
I said before, 'Search for the Son of Spock'.  Ick.
-- 

  "Where can you find			Ron Christian
a stale work environment		Watkins-Johnson Co.
  with excellent pay?"			San Jose, Calif.
	--bay area newspaper		(...ios!wjvax!ron)

rjnoe@ihlts.UUCP (Roger Noe) (11/20/84)

>	Trivia question:  Name all of Kirk's decorations.  Answer:  Impossible.
>	Lt. McGivers (?) cut off the computer in "Court Martial" so we'll never
>	know (unless they finally do it in ST 4).  

That was Areel Shaw who cut it off first.  Smauel Cogley had it restarted and
then stopped it.
--
"It's only by NOT taking the human race seriously that I retain what
    fragments of my once considerable mental powers I still possess."
Roger Noe			ihnp4!ihlts!rjnoe

dwhitney@uok.UUCP (11/24/84)

Very minor correction to the original posting, quoting Sulu from
Star Trek I as saying "The new Force Fields held."  Not quite correct,.
Having seen that one at least 50 times by now (and that's a conservative
estimate) I can assure you he said "The new screens held."  Followed by
Scotty saying, "Engineering to bridge, cannot hold full power on force fields.
Deflector power is down 70%!!"

Also, where did you hear about the title for Star Trek 4?

Later,
David Whitney
ctvax!uokvax!uok!dwhitney

markv@dartvax.UUCP (Mark Vita) (11/26/84)

> An interesting observation:  The color of the Enterprise's photon
> torpedoes changes color between the two movies.  In ST-TMP they
> are blue and the Klingon's are orange.  In ST-TWOK, not only are the
> photon torpedoes red, but the phasers, which used to be blue (and even
> before that they looked like the photon torpedoes), are now also orange!
> What's next?  Chartreuse? :-)  Also notice that in the series, the
> Klingon's disruptors looked like little missiles that supposedly
> came from the front of the engine nacelles.  Now they come from
> where one would expect them to, from the tube in front.
> Anybody also notice that the color of the main sensor dish in front
> of the secondary hull also changed color between the two movies?

    Actually, I don't think the color of the ship's phasers was constant
even in the television series.  Usually the beams were blue, but I seem
to remember a couple of episodes wherein the beams were a sort of
orangy-red color.  (In "Who Mourns For Adonis?", I believe, for one.  At
the end, when they hose Apollo's abode.  Anyone else remember this?)
    The hand phasers were even more inconsistent.  Not only did the beams 
change color, but I seem to remember that in "Operation: Annihilate!", when
Spock goes beserk and tries to take over the ship, someone stuns him 
with a phaser, and what comes out of the gun resembles a "torpedo" more
than a beam.
    Of course, one could come up with plausible explanations for why the
beams are different colors at different times.  It seems pretty apparent
that the whitish-blue beam is "disintegrate" (i.e., when Kirk zaps
the Abominable Snowman in "A Private Little War"), and that the 
red-orange beam is "heat" (i.e., when McCoy heats up rocks in the same
episode.)  Another explanation is that the optical house that
did ST's effects messed up every now and then.
    (Also, according to the Technical Manual, the hand phasers have
a setting called "disrupt", which is different from "disintegrate".  I wonder
what effect this has?  Maybe it's the aforementioned beam that kills 
but leaves the body intact [like when Miss Karidian kills her pop at
the end of "The Conscience of the King"]).
    
    About the changing appearance of the Enterprise model between the
first and second films--I heard a story that might explain it.  The
special effects for the first film were contracted to Douglas ("Close
Encounters of the Third Kind") Trumball, but I guess he did kind
of a botch of a job, overran his schedule and budget.  So sometime
during the filming he was fired and someone else finished up.
When the time came to make ST II, Industrial Light and Magic (part
of Lucasfilm) was hired to do the effects, but they wanted to use the
model from the first film, which was still in Trumball's possession. 
They asked him for it, and I guess he was still a bit miffed at having
been fired, so he shipped them the model via 4th class U.S. Mail in a 
cardboard box.  It arrived not in the best of shape, and the ILM people
had to do some work on it.  Perhaps this is why the Enterprise appeared
differently in ST II than in ST I.
 
    By the way, can anyone confirm the above story?  I heard it quite
a while ago, and don't know if it's really totally factual or not.


-- 

                                Mark Vita
                                Dartmouth College

                       USENET:  {decvax,cornell,linus,astrovax}!dartvax!markv
                       ARPA:    markv%dartmouth@csnet-relay
                       CSNET:   markv@dartmouth

eich@uiucdcsb.UUCP (12/02/84)

[re: ST-TMP FX]

Douglas Trumbell and his Entertainment Effects Group, working along with
John Dykstra's group (those who split from Lucas's ILM after Star Wars
and worked on the Battlestar Ponderosa pilot), completed ST-TMP effects
under horrendous pressure and parted amicably with Paramount.  The story
you heard sounds like a corrupted account of ST-TMP's original effects
plans, which involved Robert Abel & Associates (the innovative 7-UP and
Levi's commercials people).

Abel and co. dropped out after their grandiose plans for fancy
motion-controlled photography preprogrammed from graphics terminals
came to naught.  Apparently they had software that allowed an effects
designer to set up a model shot at a workstation, run a program to
translate the move into code to drive the motion control rig.  After
convincing himself that the shot looked right, the designer would dump
to a floppy, run over to the stage next door, set up model, lights,
camera, and floppy, and get the intended action on film.  They ran into
problems right away: their software assumed a point pov, and the camera
housing rammed part of the model rig!  Back to the software development
building for another run through the edit-compile-debug cycle...

Anyway, Trumbell (and Dykstra to a lesser extent) came on the scene
after Abel's and another group's failures (details of the latter attempt
escape me), and did well enough considering the tedious number of shots
required.  As for ILM receiving a slightly less than mint-condition
Enterprise from EEG for STII, ILM people (Ken Ralston, I think) did
blame Trumbell.  Apparently Trumbell had made a lower bid for TWOK than
ILM, but Paramount opted for Lucas's people.  I seem to recall Trumbell
himself griping about how overpriced ILM is, etc. at some point.
Personally, I think ILM effects have a distinctive flair, a stylization
of movement that makes STII & III effects superior to those of TMP.  And
nobody can do soft mattes like Lucas's optical people (the Bird of
Prey's landing on Vulcan).

Brendan Eich
uiucdcs!eich