brahms@spp2.UUCP (11/29/84)
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Here is another question. Spock states that Vulcan males go through pon
farr about every seven years (earth years?). When he went through pon
farr for the first time in "Amok Time" he was much older than he was when
he went trough it on STIII. Why? Could it be that his logic, which was
not developed in the new Spock in STIII, help put off the effect? Also,
should he have not gone through it more than once on STIII?
-- Brad Brahms
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arpa: Brahms@usc-eclcfriedman@uiucdcs.UUCP (12/04/84)
> Hey! Who says that the pon farr Spock went through in "Amok Time" > was the first one any way? It's just the first one we knew about. No, it seems clear to me from the context that this was the first time. I also seem to recall his statement along the lines of "Since I am only part Vulcan, I had hoped to be able to avoid this." I know most of us don't usually credit the novels to decide things like this, but I think Jean Lorrah's recent "The Vulcan Academy Murders" sheds some light on this. She has quite a bit of Vulcan society and "biological facts" in that novel. She suggests that sexual maturity in Vulcans comes quite a bit later in life than in humans -- e.g., well after the completion of university studies and the beginning of a career. This seems to me to fit well with Spock's age in "Amok Time". While we don't know that age with any precision, we do know that he had completed studies at Star Fleet Academy and served on active duty long enough to attain moderately high rank. On the other hand, it does not fit well with the apparent age of the first pon farr of the regenerated Spock in ST III, but this might be explained in light of the abnormally high-speed aging process going on. Another interesting point from Lorrah's novel: a telepathic bond is set up between Vulcan mates, and even between a Vulcan and his or her non-Vulcan mate (e.g., Sarek and Amanda). It is not clear from the novel whether this bond would be formed between a Vulcan in pon farr and a mate he did not intend to marry (form a permanent bond with). I find this idea intriguing. (Ever notice how the partners in a really good Human marriage often seem to sense each other's -- dare I say -- thoughts?)
goun@cadlac.DEC (Roger H. Goun) (12/06/84)
> Hey! Who says that the pon farr Spock went through in "Amok Time" > was the first one any way? It's just the first one we knew about. We DO know that "Amok Time" shows Spock's first Pon Farr experience. In his "birds and bees" conversation with Kirk, Spock states that he had hoped his human half would prevent him from ever entering Pon Farr. The inference is that it hadn't happened before, and took him by surprise. -- Roger Goun ARPA: goun%cadlac.DEC@decwrl.ARPA UUCP: {allegra, decvax, ihnp4, ucbvax}!decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-cadlac!goun USPS: Digital Equipment Corp., APO-1/B4 100 Minuteman Road; Andover, MA 01810-1098 Tel: (617) 689-1675
brahms@spp2.UUCP (12/08/84)
> Hey! Who says that the pon farr Spock went through in "Amok Time" > was the first one any way? It's just the first one we knew about. When talking with Kirk, he started by saying "I hoped I would be spared this ...". I take that to mean that he had not gone through pon farr before. Also, if he had, then wouldn't he already be married?
bsa@ncoast.UUCP (Brandon Allbery) (12/10/84)
> Article <13100021@hp-pcd.UUCP>, from mfc@hp-pcd.UUCP (mfc) +---------------- | | | | Hey! Who says that the pon farr Spock went through in "Amok Time" | was the first one any way? It's just the first one we knew about. | | I seriously doubt the they (Vulcans) go around bragging about how | many times they got laid. | | MFC HP-PCD Spock said. Something along the lines of (I don't have the book at hand): "I had hoped I would be spared this, but . . ." --bsa -- Brandon Allbery @ North Coast Xenix | the.world!ucbvax!decvax!cwruecmp! 6504 Chestnut Road, Independence, Ohio | {atvax!}ncoast!{tdi1!}bsa (216) 524-1416 \ 44131 | E1439@CSUOHIO.BITNET (friend's acct.) | BALLBERY (161-7070) on MCI Mail ---------------------------------------+--------------------------------------- Keeping the Galaxies safe for Civilization... :-)
notes@isucs1.UUCP (12/11/84)
Like hey! During Spock's True Confession moment with "Jim", Spock says, "I had
hoped I would be spared this." THIS refers to his Pon Farr. He presumably
expected to be insulated from THIS by his human half. Apparently, he has never
experienced THIS before. Too bad he didn't have a salmon around to talk things
over with.
Sheron Buchele Dean
"Jim, THIS is like *nothing* I've ever experienced before!!"mfc@hp-pcd.UUCP (mfc) (12/16/84)
Hey! Who says that the pon farr Spock went through in "Amok Time" was the first one any way? It's just the first one we knew about. I seriously doubt the they (Vulcans) go around bragging about how many times they got laid. MFC HP-PCD
cwc@dmcnh.UUCP (01/22/85)
> I seriously doubt the they (Vulcans) go around bragging about how > many times they got laid. > MFC HP-PCD Are you kidding? Have you ever been in a Vulcan bar? +-------------------------------------+ +------------------------------------+ | USENET: decvax!ittvax!sii!dmcnh!gts | | DISCLAIMER: The content of this | | USMail: 14-F Hampshire Drive | | message is the sole responsibility | | Nashua, NH 03063 | | dmcnh!gts and does not necessarily | | NEBell: (603) 880-2069 | | reflect the policies of Datamedia. | +-------------------------------------+ +------------------------------------+