pritch@osu-eddie.UUCP (Norman Pritchett) (03/12/85)
I've been hearing a lot of conjecture lately on how Kirk and party are supposed to get out of their predicament this time. My questions are: 1) Shouldn't they have (or be able to get) political asylum on Vulcan? 2) Sarek has pull; is there any way he can intervene? After all the decision to quarantine Genesis was made by the Federation Council... Sarek is influential member of the council... exceptions can be made... can't they? ---norm -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Norm Pritchett - The Generic Hacker UUCP: ...!cbosgd!osu-eddie!pritch BITNET: TS0017@OHSTVMA
nairb@ihlpg.UUCP (b. enke) (03/14/85)
> I've been hearing a lot of conjecture lately on how Kirk and party are > supposed to get out of their predicament this time. My questions are: > > 1) Shouldn't they have (or be able to get) political asylum on Vulcan? > 2) Sarek has pull; is there any way he can intervene? After all the > decision to quarantine Genesis was made by the Federation Council... Sarek > is influential member of the council... exceptions can be made... can't they? *** REPLACE THIS LINE WITH YOUR MESSAGE, KLINGON SCUM!! *** My own two-bits on the matter: The political asylum is out; it would be a too cautious retreat. As for Sarek's pull, this could be helpful to Kirk in ST IV. However, something that comes to mind immediately is the section from "Foundation" where Hober Mallow is on trial for treason -- after shattering the charges, a charged-up mob ousts the mayor in favor of Mallow. This leads me to believe that after Kirk destroys the opposition at the trial, he could believably be put in charge of his own fleet, which leaves him in a perfect position for the upcoming war with the Klingons. My biggest problem now is what to do with the Organians! -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > It's a poor atom-blaster that won't point both ways : Salvor Hardin. President, T.A.S (Tribble Adoption Society)
merchant@dartvax.UUCP (Peter Merchant) (03/17/85)
> 2) Sarek has pull; is there any way he can intervene? After all the > decision to quarantine Genesis was made by the Federation Council... Sarek > is influential member of the council... exceptions can be made... can't they? > > -- > Norm Pritchett - The Generic Hacker I keep getting hearing the same thing over and over again and I'm getting sick of it. Captain Spock, while he might be a great guy and an all around fun person, is just another officer. The Federation will probably not see how Jim is allowed to break all these rules to recover just another officer. He is the son of an ambassadour, I admit, but that still doesn't make him important enough that Jim could be allowed to get away with this. -- Peter Merchant
mike@dolqci.UUCP (Mike Stalnaker) (03/19/85)
> > 2) Sarek has pull; is there any way he can intervene? After all the > > decision to quarantine Genesis was made by the Federation Council... Sarek > > is influential member of the council... exceptions can be made... can't they? > > > > -- > > Norm Pritchett - The Generic Hacker > > > I keep getting hearing the same thing over and over again and I'm getting > sick of it. > > Captain Spock, while he might be a great guy and an all around fun person, > is just another officer. The Federation will probably not see how Jim is > allowed to break all these rules to recover just another officer. > > He is the son of an ambassadour, I admit, but that still doesn't make him > important enough that Jim could be allowed to get away with this. > > -- > Peter Merchant *** REPLACE THIS LINE WITH YOUR MESSAGE *** Then how do we explain the Vulcans intervening (and winning) on behalf of a lowly Lt. Commander (or was it commander) in Amok Time????? Remember, "As Vulcan goes, so goes the Federation!" -- Mike Stalnaker UUCP:{decvax!grendel,cbosgd!seismo}!dolqci!mike AT&T:202-376-2593 USPS:601 D. St. NW, Room 7122, Washington, DC, 20213 McCoy: "Shaddup Spock! We're Rescuing you!" Spock: "Why thank you, 'Captain McCoy'"
pritch@osu-eddie.UUCP (Norman Pritchett) (03/20/85)
>> 2) Sarek has pull; is there any way he can intervene? After all the >> decision to quarantine Genesis was made by the Federation Council... Sarek >> is influential member of the council...exceptions can be made... can't they? >> >> -- >> Norm Pritchett > > Captain Spock, while he might be a great guy and an all around fun person, > is just another officer. The Federation will probably not see how Jim is > allowed to break all these rules to recover just another officer. > > He is the son of an ambassadour, I admit, but that still doesn't make him > important enough that Jim could be allowed to get away with this. > Sorry... I left out a point that made me think about this. I will grant that everything you mention above is true (I was thinking that as well) but then I considered: Can Sarek claim he had nothing to do with Kirk's running off? (Pardon me if I'm mistaken but) considering Sarek is a member of the body that quarantined Genesis how can he let Kirk run off to Genesis with prior knowledge? Wouldn't he be considered an accomplice then? If that were true then add him to the list of people who have-to-get-out-of-it-this-time. The least Sarek can be nailed for at this point is aiding and abetting fugitives (unless he turns them in of course). To the person who replied saying "Kirk doesn't have to get out of it this time" I will have to conceed that you are 100% correct. My big frustration walking away from the theatre the first time I saw the movie was that they ended it so they didn't HAVE to have another movie. That unfortunately gives me big mental problems so my way of dealing with it is by adopting a big streak of optimism and going under the assumption that there will be ST-IV (already true) and that Kirk and company will find a way out like they always have before (anyother way wouldn't be StarTrek). If that doesn't happen the net will be the first to receive my suicide letter :-). -- ----------------------------------- Norm Pritchett UUCP: cbosgd!osu-eddie!pritch CSNET: pritch@ohio-state BITNET: TS0017 at OHSTVMA MA-NET: (614) 291-8775
merchant@dartvax.UUCP (Peter Merchant) (03/21/85)
> > Captain Spock, while he might be a great guy and an all around fun person, > > is just another officer. The Federation will probably not see how Jim is > > allowed to break all these rules to recover just another officer. > > > > He is the son of an ambassadour, I admit, but that still doesn't make him > > important enough that Jim could be allowed to get away with this. > > > > > Then how do we explain the Vulcans intervening (and winning) on > behalf of a lowly Lt. Commander (or was it commander) in Amok Time????? > Remember, "As Vulcan goes, so goes the Federation!" > > -- > > Mike Stalnaker UUCP:{decvax!grendel,cbosgd!seismo}!dolqci!mike Don't think so, Mike. At the end of the show (except that it usually gets editted out) the Federation sends a (late) message to Jim that says that it's okay for him to take Spock to Vulcan. Besides, aren't Vulcan rituals and other such things very private affairs. The Vulcans, from what I understand, are a little embarassed by whatever the name of the ritual Spock was doing because they lose their cool and logical Vulcan exterior and tend to act very emotional and kill Captains and good stuff like that. If so, I have my doubts about whether his grandma or whoever the chick was would attempt to explain to the Federation council. How is Jim going to explain that he knew Spock was alive. How is he going to explain that he knew Spock's soul was kept in Bones? Remember that telepathy (or other extrasensory perception kinds of stuff) is NOT admissable as evidence. What hard evidencedid Jimmy have to go out there? Anyone have any shots? Again, let me emphasize that I'm not condemning Jim. I'm sure there is a way out of it that we all haven't seen. Something will be done to get Jimmy-boy out of the mess he's in, and I can't wait to see what it is. As David Gerrold so aptly put it, "We don't tune in to see whether the hero is going to escape. We KNOW he's going to escape; That's why he's the hero. We just wanbt to see how." -- Peter Merchant