john@moncol.UUCP (John Ruschmeyer) (02/25/85)
I am watching Star Trek II: TWOK on ABC and, to be frank, I am seeing scenes that have never been in any other version I have seen. (First run, cable, and 16mm at school) Was this movie re-edited for television to include some extra dialogue? I know that this was done to ST:TMP, but I had heard of no plans to do it this time. Specifically I noticed the following: 1) In the scene in Kirk's apartment, Bones refers to the glasses as antique rather than just skipping to the "usually I recommend Retinox V" line. 2) Checkov's "creatures in our bodies" line seems to be longer. 3) There is now a short scene between Kirk and Spock immediately after Kirk and party beam up from Regulus where Kirk explains that David is his son. 4) When Saavik asks "How do we know that he'll follow us into the nebula?" Spock replies "Remind me to tell you sometime about the human ego." Some of these differences were in the novelization as I recall. I assume therefore that they were just not shown in the original release. -- Name: John Ruschmeyer US Mail: Monmouth College, W. Long Branch, NJ 07764 Phone: (201) 222-6600 x366 UUCP: ...!vax135!petsd!moncol!john ...!princeton!moncol!john Silly Quote: "Everybody knows in the second life, We all come back sooner or later. As anything from a pussy cat, To a man-eating alligator."
ajf@pyuxa.UUCP (A Figura) (02/26/85)
Re: extra scenes in ST II on ABC the other night - I noticed it too! (At least I think I did.) One of the scenes I specifically saw for the first time (I think) was Scotty describing the young cadet (who later gets killed) as his sister's son - I wondered about this when I read the novel (after seeing the film the first time); and didn't recall that scene. Also, the scene when Scotty grieves over his nephew's death. Did anyone else also think this was new? Al Figura@Bellcore "Happiness is a warm Aardvark"
mike@dolqci.UUCP (Mike Stalnaker) (02/27/85)
John writes: > I am watching Star Trek II: TWOK on ABC and, to be frank, I > am seeing scenes that have never been in any other version > I have seen. (First run, cable, and 16mm at school) > etc........... This is true. The studios, in an effort to sell more movies to the networks closer to the original release date, have been adding scenes left on the cutting room floor back in. There were also several scenes involving peter preston (Scotty's nephew) added back in. The one exception to the add it back in syndrome of late was Star Wars last spring. The only reason that it didn't happen there is that George Lucas retained enough control over sales, etc. to prevent it. -- Mike Stalnaker {decvax!grendel,cbosgd!seismo}!dolqci!mike Be wary of strong drink: It can cause you to shoot at the tax collector... and miss.
spector@acf4.UUCP (David HM Spector) (02/27/85)
I noticed the same thing, and thought it was because I hadn't seen TWOK in about a year, or that I was getting senile. My dad has it on tape,(off of cable..) I think I'll ask him to watch it again, and see if the lines are there Dave Spector NYU/acf Systems Group
rocky@sdcc3.UUCP (Chris "rocky" Rhode) (02/28/85)
Yeahhhhhh.....I had a funny feeling that I hadn't seen some of those scenes
before. The one that stuck in my mind was right after Kirk & Co. beamed up
from Regulus. Kirk starts to walk into a turbolift and Spock says "They're
not operational below C deck" (or something similar). About a minute after that
THEY SHOW KIRK AND SPOCK & CO. CLIMBING UP A LADDER (kinda like the ones they
had in the series). I think that's where somebody tells Spock that David is
his son. I don't think I ever saw that scene before. Probably these minor
editing changes exist in a lot of films they show on TV and we just happened
to notice this time around.
By the way, its a good thing that the turbolifts were working ABOVE C-deck,
since it STILL looks like there's no other way to get to the bridge. Also,
in Star Trek III, can you believe that you had to push BUTTONS in the
turbolift like an old fashioned ELEVATOR? Gee whiz!!
-chris "rocky" rhode (a new net nut)
UC San Diego
ucbvax!sdcsvax!sdcc3!rockymike@dolqci.UUCP (Mike Stalnaker) (02/28/85)
> Re: extra scenes in ST II on ABC the other night - > I noticed it too! (At least I think I did.) One of the scenes > I specifically saw for the first time (I think) was Scotty describing > the young cadet (who later gets killed) as his sister's son - > I wondered about this when I read the novel (after seeing the film > the first time); and didn't recall that scene. Also, the scene when > Scotty grieves over his nephew's death. Did anyone else also think > this was new? > > Al Figura@Bellcore > > "Happiness is a warm Aardvark" *** REPLACE THIS LINE WITH YOUR MESSAGE *** It was definitely new. All told about 5 1/2 minutes were added, and there are another 7 to 10 minutes still on the cutting room floor. -- Mike Stalnaker {decvax!grendel,cbosgd!seismo}!dolqci!mike Be wary of strong drink: It can cause you to shoot at the tax collector... and miss.
friesen@psivax.UUCP (Stanley Friesen) (02/28/85)
In article <1142@pyuxa.UUCP> ajf@pyuxa.UUCP (A Figura) writes: >Re: extra scenes in ST II on ABC the other night - >I noticed it too! (At least I think I did.) One of the scenes >I specifically saw for the first time (I think) was Scotty describing >the young cadet (who later gets killed) as his sister's son - >I wondered about this when I read the novel (after seeing the film >the first time); and didn't recall that scene. Also, the scene when >Scotty grieves over his nephew's death. Did anyone else also think >this was new? > THINK this was new?? I *know* it was new, I watched the movie twice at the theatre, once before and once after I read the book. It *never* had the "sister's scene" befor Sunday night. Also I just rented and watched the video, it isn't there either, tho the place where it *should* have been is plain if tou are watching for it. I also verified several other additions on Sunday. The sequence in the bridge while entering the Voltarra Nebula was longer, having an extra interchange by Lt Saavik and Cpt Spock in which Spock expresses confidence that Khan will follow them in because of "hyman ego". Also after beaming back up from the Genesis planetoid there was an extra scene on the way to the bridge, showing the principles climbing up an access tube. -- Sarima (Stanley Friesen) {trwrb|allegra|cbosgd|hplabs|ihnp4|aero!uscvax!akgua}!sdcrdcf!psivax!friesen or {ttdica|quad1|bellcore|scgvaxd}!psivax!friesen
wws@whuxlm.UUCP (Stoll W William) (03/01/85)
> Re: extra scenes in ST II on ABC the other night - > I noticed it too! (At least I think I did.) One of the scenes > I specifically saw for the first time (I think) was Scotty describing > the young cadet (who later gets killed) as his sister's son - > Gee, you'd think they would have announced the new stuff to increase the audience! Also new was the scene during Kirk's inspection where the young cadet tells Kirk something like "..and if you don't think everything's shipshape, then you're as blind as an Alberian bat -- SIR!" (I didn't tape it -- it might not have been 'Alberian'...) Bill Stoll, ..!whuxlm!wws "why are you watching it AGAIN? you've already SEEN it!"
lynng@mako.UUCP (Lynn Gurske) (03/01/85)
I am responding to the new scene's showed on the TV version of ST II. My only complant is that I liked the TV version better. It is alittle irritatingto know that I could have waited and seen it on TV insted of paying $4.50 to see it in a theater. When they say this is the original I truly wish it would be. The Mighty Ske But Cap'm it'll make it almost impossible for one man to handle. You worry about your miracles Scotty I'll worry about mine.
jpm@ptsfc.UUCP (Jim Moore) (03/02/85)
In article <196@moncol.UUCP> john@moncol.UUCP (John Ruschmeyer) writes: >Was this movie re-edited for television to include some >extra dialogue? I know that this was done to ST:TMP, but I >had heard of no plans to do it this time. Also, I noticed the "elevator scene" with Saavik included close up shots of both the Captain and the "Trainee" as well as some minor dialogue changes: "That's a bit of a joke" instead of "that 's a little joke", etc. Personally I felt it was much better than the theatrical version. Why? Did they have to rush that much with the original? -- Jim Moore Pacific Bell, S.F. dual!ptsfa!ptsfc!jpm "Bedsitter people look back and lament, on another day's useless energy spent..."
starner@psuvax1.UUCP (Mark L. Starner) (03/02/85)
Within the past several years, just about every Science Fiction Movie
that ABC has telecast has been "Edited for Television" in this
fashion. Superman, ST:TMP are only two of many. I was not surprised
by any of the inclusions. Scenes are added ONLY at palces where there
is dialogue only (no music or sound effects). Usually, the added scenes
were not redubbed (as the rest of the movie was) therefore the quality
of the voices is much worse, and background noises can be heard. (one
good example of this was in STII in the extra scene in the engine room
where Scotty tells Kirk that Peter Preston is "his sisters youngest".
It sounded like somebody kicked over a pile of Trash Can Lids in the
background.
But I ENJOY the added scenes.... In the case of ST:TMP it turned a
dissapointing movie into an enjoyable experience (with only 12 minutes
of added footage).
--
Mark Starner
Computer Science Department (814) 863-0392
303 Whitmore Lab {akgua,allegra,ihnp4}!psuvax1!starner
The Pennsylvania State University starner@penn-state (csnet)
University Park, PA 16802 starner@psuvax1 (bitnet)berge@stolaf.UUCP (Eric Berge) (03/02/85)
> Gee, you'd think they would have announced the new stuff to increase the > audience! > > Also new was the scene during Kirk's inspection where the young > cadet tells Kirk something like "..and if you don't think everything's > shipshape, then you're as blind as an Alberian bat -- SIR!" > > (I didn't tape it -- it might not have been 'Alberian'...) > > Bill Stoll, ..!whuxlm!wws > > "why are you watching it AGAIN? you've already SEEN it!" Did anyone else notice that the discussion with Saavik and Kirk in the Enterprise elevate was taken at a vastly different angle, and a much better one for Saavik's eyes I might add... -- "That which does not kill us, make us stronger." -- Nietzsche Eric Berge ...{ihnp4|decvax}!stolaf!berge
herbie@watdcsu.UUCP (Herb Chong [DCS]) (03/03/85)
In article <351@psivax.UUCP> friesen@psivax.UUCP (Stanley friesen) writes: >The sequence in the bridge while entering the Voltarra Nebula >was longer, having an extra interchange by Lt Saavik and Cpt Spock >in which Spock expresses confidence that Khan will follow them in >because of "hyman ego". surely you mean Mutari Nebula. Herb Chong... I'm user-friendly -- I don't byte, I nybble....
wws@whuxlm.UUCP (Stoll W William) (03/07/85)
> The sequence in the bridge while entering the Voltarra Nebula > was longer, having an extra interchange by Lt Saavik and Cpt Spock > in which Spock expresses confidence that Khan will follow them in > because of "hyman ego". > Are you insinuating that Khan was transsexual? Bill Stoll, ..!whuxlm!wws "Here I am, brain the size of a planet..."
disc@homxb.UUCP (Scott J. Berry) (03/07/85)
Did anyone notice any DIFFERENCES (as opposed to additions)
in the Network version? I've seen STII at least 7 times, and
I swear the scene with Kirk and Saavik in the elevator ("Did
you change your hair..." or something like that) was slightly
different, although the dialogue was the same.
Scott J. Berry
...!homxb!discrtf@ihuxw.UUCP (r.t. frederick) (03/08/85)
> Did anyone notice any DIFFERENCES (as opposed to additions) > in the Network version? I've seen STII at least 7 times, and > I swear the scene with Kirk and Saavik in the elevator ("Did > you change your hair..." or something like that) was slightly > different, although the dialogue was the same. > > Scott J. Berry > ...!homxb!disc I agree. In the theatre I remember Saavik stopping the elevator after asking Kirk if she could ask him a question. The end of the scene had McCoy exclaim, "Who's been holding up the damn elevator!" On tv, Saavik does not stop the elevator but McCoy's line remained intact which made it seem out of place. sparrow
dbb@opus.UUCP (David B. Bordeau) (03/13/85)
> In article <1142@pyuxa.UUCP> ajf@pyuxa.UUCP (A Figura) writes: > >Re: extra scenes in ST II on ABC the other night - > >I noticed it too! (At least I think I did.) One of the scenes > >I specifically saw for the first time (I think) was Scotty describing > >the young cadet (who later gets killed) as his sister's son - > >I wondered about this when I read the novel (after seeing the film > >the first time); and didn't recall that scene. Also, the scene when > >Scotty grieves over his nephew's death. Did anyone else also think > >this was new? > > > THINK this was new?? I *know* it was new, I watched the movie > twice at the theatre, once before and once after I read the book. > It *never* had the "sister's scene" befor Sunday night. > > Sarima (Stanley Friesen) > > {trwrb|allegra|cbosgd|hplabs|ihnp4|aero!uscvax!akgua}!sdcrdcf!psivax!friesen > or {ttdica|quad1|bellcore|scgvaxd}!psivax!friesen I don't know what kind of weird drugs YOU two were on but that was one scene I remember as clearly as I remember JAMES T. KIRK'S name. But then again you probably don't remember Kirk's 1st science officer's name! YES, YES, YES the scene WAS in the movie!!! NOMAD
kmann@ihnet.UUCP (k. mann) (03/15/85)
> > >I specifically saw for the first time (I think) was Scotty describing > > >the young cadet (who later gets killed) as his sister's son - > > >Scotty grieves over his nephew's death. > I don't know what kind of weird drugs YOU two were on > but that was one scene I remember as clearly as I remember > JAMES T. KIRK'S name. But then again you probably don't > remember Kirk's 1st science officer's name! > > YES, YES, YES the scene WAS in the movie!!! > > > NOMAD I don't know what kind of drugs you are on because you are wrong. That scene was only in the edited version for television. I can honestly say this because I must of seen the movie at least 70 times. I used to work in a movie theatre. K.C. Mann
ck@ima.UUCP (03/17/85)
That scene definitely WAS in the movie. I remember because the nephew is played by Ike Eisenman, who career I have been following with interest for a number of years. So I paid particular attention to those scenes with him, and, though he did not say the line about the captain being blind in the original movie, he was indeed introduced as the sister's son, Scotty did say that he had kept to his post when the other cadets ran, and he did have that weakly spoken last line. ck.
pritch@osu-eddie.UUCP (Norman Pritchett) (03/17/85)
> > In article <1142@pyuxa.UUCP> ajf@pyuxa.UUCP (A Figura) writes: > > >I noticed it too! (At least I think I did.) One of the scenes > > >I specifically saw for the first time (I think) was Scotty describing > > >the young cadet (who later gets killed) as his sister's son - > > >I wondered about this when I read the novel (after seeing the film > > >the first time); and didn't recall that scene. Also, the scene when > > >Scotty grieves over his nephew's death. Did anyone else also think > > >this was new? > > > > > THINK this was new?? I *know* it was new, I watched the movie > > twice at the theatre, once before and once after I read the book. > > I don't know what kind of weird drugs YOU two were on > but that was one scene I remember as clearly as I remember > JAMES T. KIRK'S name. But then again you probably don't > remember Kirk's 1st science officer's name! > > YES, YES, YES the scene WAS in the movie!!! BOYS BOYS! Let's behave now. I saw the theatre version of the movie 4 times, (read the book after th first time) saw it on video tape once, and had it confirmed with several friends who saw it more times than I did that references to Peter being Scotty's nephew were not in the movie -- at least not the ones I saw. May I suggest that the person who insists that it was (I'll go under the assumption HE wasn't drugs) might have been fortunate to go to a movie theatre that showed a different cutting? -- ----------------------------------- Norm Pritchett UUCP: cbosgd!osu-eddie!pritch CSNET: pritch@ohio-state BITNET: TS0017 at OHSTVMA MA-NET: (614) 291-8775
barry@mit-eddie.UUCP (Mikki Barry) (03/18/85)
The scene in question was NOT in the movie. The movie was EXACTLY the same as the videotape (saw the movie 25+ times and own the videotape). After running the videotape back and forth to check for said scene, I can tell you categorically that it just ain't there. In fact, Doohan himself, when asked why he carried the boy onto the bridge after Khan's first attack, he said something to the effect of: Yes, it seemed stupid, and out of character for Scotty to do something like that. It only seemed that way because the scene explaining that the boy was his nephew was CUT FROM THE MOVIE!
friesen@psivax.UUCP (Stanley Friesen) (03/18/85)
>> THINK this was new?? I *know* it was new, I watched the movie >> twice at the theatre, once before and once after I read the book. >> It *never* had the "sister's scene" befor Sunday night. >> >> Sarima (Stanley Friesen) >> >> {trwrb|allegra|cbosgd|hplabs|ihnp4|aero!uscvax!akgua}!sdcrdcf!psivax!friesen >> or {ttdica|quad1|bellcore|scgvaxd}!psivax!friesen > > > I don't know what kind of weird drugs YOU two were on > but that was one scene I remember as clearly as I remember > JAMES T. KIRK'S name. But then again you probably don't > remember Kirk's 1st science officer's name! > > YES, YES, YES the scene WAS in the movie!!! > > > NOMAD In the movie?!?! I rented the movie from my local video store three days after the TV showing *specifically* to check which scenes were added and which were original. The "sister's son" scene was *not* in the video, tho the place where it was cut out was plain as day if you watch carefully. The scene *was* in the *book*. perhaps you are thinking of the scene in the "landing bay" when Admiral Kirk boards the Enterprise? The nephew scene is in Engineering during Kirk's inspection thereof. This scene, in the original release, ends as Kirk approaches the nephews post(you can see him on the edge of the screen), and cuts dirtectly to Kirk climbing the ladder and saying he is "delaying" the rest of the inspection. -- Sarima (Stanley Friesen) {trwrb|allegra|cbosgd|hplabs|ihnp4|aero!uscvax!akgua}!sdcrdcf!psivax!friesen or {ttdica|quad1|bellcore|scgvaxd}!psivax!friesen
overlord@nmtvax.UUCP (03/21/85)
In article <> barry@mit-eddie.UUCP (Mikki Barry) writes: >The scene in question was NOT in the movie. The movie was EXACTLY the >same as the videotape (saw the movie 25+ times and own the videotape). > >After running the videotape back and forth to check for said scene, I can >tell you categorically that it just ain't there. > >In fact, Doohan himself, when asked why he carried the boy onto the bridge >after Khan's first attack, he said something to the effect of: > >Yes, it seemed stupid, and out of character for Scotty to do something like >that. It only seemed that way because the scene explaining that the boy was >his nephew was CUT FROM THE MOVIE! I have heard many of my friends argue this point. I personally did NOT see the scene in the movie, however, most of the people that I asked that said they DID see this scene, saw the movie AFTER I had. This brings up a question: Is it possible that there was a later release of the movie with a few of the scenes reinserted? Alan Kerr In the exact geographic center of NOWHERE
ugthomas@sunybcs.UUCP ( Timothy Thomas) (03/22/85)
> >> THINK this was new?? I *know* it was new, I watched the movie > >> twice at the theatre, once before and once after I read the book. > >> It *never* had the "sister's scene" befor Sunday night. > >> > > > > I don't know what kind of weird drugs YOU two were on > > but that was one scene I remember as clearly as I remember > > JAMES T. KIRK'S name. But then again you probably don't > > remember Kirk's 1st science officer's name! > > > > YES, YES, YES the scene WAS in the movie!!! > > Just to clarify some of the misunderstandings of the TV version and the so called 'original' version differences. Some of the people here say they saw the scenes in the movie, while others say (and prove) they didnt. Most movies have different releases, some earlier versions of movies in theaters may be different than another version playing at the same time somewhere else. This is because of the editors/producers changing scenes (adding, ...) AFTER the initial release of the movie. So, while some people did not see a particular scene in a movie; it could have been in a later/earlier version playing somewhere else at the same time. (i dont know if this is true in STII, but it is for some other movies). -- ...Tim Thomas ...{burdvax, rocksvax, bbncca, decvax, dual, rocksanne, watmath}!sunybcs!ugthomas Remember...... Only you can prevent software piracy.
eagle@ihlpg.UUCP (John Blumenstein) (03/26/85)
> In article <> barry@mit-eddie.UUCP (Mikki Barry) writes: > >The scene in question was NOT in the movie. The movie was EXACTLY the > >same as the videotape (saw the movie 25+ times and own the videotape). > > > >After running the videotape back and forth to check for said scene, I can > >tell you categorically that it just ain't there. > > > >In fact, Doohan himself, when asked why he carried the boy onto the bridge > >after Khan's first attack, he said something to the effect of: > > > >Yes, it seemed stupid, and out of character for Scotty to do something like > >that. It only seemed that way because the scene explaining that the boy was > >his nephew was CUT FROM THE MOVIE! > > > I have heard many of my friends argue this point. I personally did > NOT see the scene in the movie, however, most of the people that I asked > that said they DID see this scene, saw the movie AFTER I had. This > brings up a question: > > Is it possible that there was a later release of the movie with a > few of the scenes reinserted? > > > Alan Kerr > In the exact geographic > center of NOWHERE *** REPLACE THIS LINE WITH YOUR MESSAGE *** While watching the TV version of STII, I noticed differences right away. In the issue of Scotty's nephew, When STII came out in the theatres there was a lot of stuff on net about how in the book of STWOK mentioned that Preston was Scotty's nephew and it was not in the movie. The TV version had that -- remember. Prior to watching STII on the network I rented STIII so I got a double dose of ST, (it was great) and I saw STII 5 or 6 times. There were a lot of different scenes on TV. I do not know if there were different theatre versions (I doubt it). I think they just wanted to make it different and interesting. It may be a way of getting people to see it again - perhaps a summer rerun of the TV version- who knows. -- "Your a legend in your own Mind." John T. Blumenstein ihlpg!eagle