[net.startrek] Sizes

m1b@rayssd.UUCP (05/24/85)

From <712@umn-cs.UUCP> Matthew Goldman writes:
> Enterprise
> 	250 - 400 yards long
> Death Star
> 	size of a small moon
> 	50 - 100+ miles in diameter
> Stardestroyer
> 	0.5 - 1.5 miles long
> Super Stardestroyer
> 	3 - 5 miles long
> Milinium (sp) Falcon
> 	>75 yards long
> Battlestar Galactica
> 	2.5 - 4.0 miles long

	I know we could argue about these figures until the 23rd
century, but they seem quite exaggerated to me.  A friend and I
deduced the size of DS to be a max of 20 miles using the size
of an X-Wing (figure the size of the trench from that and so on).
Remember, Sputnik was also considered a "small moon"; "moon" does
not necessarily mean huge.

	The Millenium Falcon is NOT 3/4 of a football field.  There
are many scenes with a human next to it; I'd say around 25 yards.
From that, you can determine the size of a Stardestroyer.  The MF
is on top of one in SW:TESB; say around 25 * MF = ~ 1/3 of a mile
lengthwise.  Super Stardetroyer is 3 * SD = ~ 1 mile.  Galactica is
the size of an SD for want of something to compare it to.

	Any information on the Enterprise's size from reliable
sources (Concordance or whatever)?

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alb@alice.UUCP (Adam L. Buchsbaum) (05/25/85)

The Star Fleet Technical Manual has this to say about
the Enterprise:

	Length Overall				288.6 m
	Breadth Overall				127.1 m
	Height Overall				72.6  m
	Primary Hull Diameter			127.1 m
	Secondary Hull Length			103.6 m
	Secondary Hull Maximum Diameter		34.1  m
	Propulsion Unit Length			153.6 m
	Propulsion Unit Diameter		17.3  m

ccrdave@ucdavis.UUCP (Lord Kahless) (05/27/85)

> 
> From <712@umn-cs.UUCP> Matthew Goldman writes:
> > Enterprise
> > 	250 - 400 yards long
> 
> 	Any information on the Enterprise's size from reliable
> sources (Concordance or whatever)?
> 
> Joe Barone,	{allegra, decvax!brunix, linus, ccice5}!rayssd!m1b

The Enterprise is precisely 947 feet long, 417 feet wide, and has
a maximum gross weight of 190,000 tons.  This information is from
reliable Klingon spies, who read page 171 of The Making of Star Trek.

				Lord Kahless

evan@petfe.UUCP (Evan Marcus) (05/29/85)

I will not question the source of those sizes, but looking at them makes me
think that they're a little small...let's look again:

> The Star Fleet Technical Manual has this to say about
> the Enterprise:
> 
	> Length Overall				288.6 m
	> Breadth Overall				127.1 m
	> Height Overall				72.6  m
	> Primary Hull Diameter				127.1 m
	> Secondary Hull Length				103.6 m
	> Secondary Hull Maximum Diameter		34.1  m
	> Propulsion Unit Length			153.6 m
	> Propulsion Unit Diameter			17.3  m

Housing 430 crewmembers plus engines and all those facilities (rec rooms,
sick bay, etc.)?  This all seems really too small.  Remember the comment
made by Captain Christopher in Tomorrow is Yesterday? He was the fighter 
pilot who gets beamed aboard the E.  He says it looks like a city in the
sky.  Now I come from a small city, but please!...   :-)   

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ugthomas@sunybcs.UUCP ( Timothy Thomas) (05/31/85)

> 	Any information on the Enterprise's size from reliable
> sources (Concordance or whatever)?
>

According to my Star Trek blueprints (before any of the movies) the
ships length is 288.646 meters long, 127.102 meters wide, 72.6 meters
hight, 190,000 metric tonnage.  The starfleet technical manual also
has the same statistics (but was made by the same people, so I guess
that doesnt confirm anything).

An interesting statistic (where they got it from i dont know) is the
the endurance in years at light-year velocity is 18. 
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edward@ukma.UUCP (Edward C. Bennett) (06/02/85)

In article <753@rayssd.UUCP>, m1b@rayssd.UUCP writes:
> 
> From <712@umn-cs.UUCP> Matthew Goldman writes:
> > Enterprise
> > 	250 - 400 yards long
> > Death Star
> > 	size of a small moon
> > 	50 - 100+ miles in diameter
> > Stardestroyer
> > 	0.5 - 1.5 miles long
> > Super Stardestroyer
> > 	3 - 5 miles long
> > Milinium (sp) Falcon
> > 	>75 yards long
> > Battlestar Galactica
> > 	2.5 - 4.0 miles long
> 
> deduced the size of DS to be a max of 20 miles using the size
> 
> 	The Millenium Falcon is NOT 3/4 of a football field.  There
> are many scenes with a human next to it; I'd say around 25 yards.
> From that, you can determine the size of a Stardestroyer.  The MF
> is on top of one in SW:TESB; say around 25 * MF = ~ 1/3 of a mile
> lengthwise.  Super Stardetroyer is 3 * SD = ~ 1 mile.  Galactica is
> the size of an SD for want of something to compare it to.
> 
	Why all this fuss? I thought size made no diference in performance. :-)

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