operator@trwrba.UUCP (VAX Operator) (05/03/85)
I am a little behind in reading net.startrek, but I have some
thoughts to the discussions of the transporter workings.
Well, I think the transporter works on the idea of converting
matter into energy (light) and converting the energy back
into it's original matter at the destination point not
disassembling it as suggested. Therefore, people are not
taken apart. If you recall, an individual knows what is
happening around him but cannot do anything about it once
caught in the transporter beam. Kinda uses Einstein's
equation "E=MC^^2". Remember ST transporter cannot change
the matter it transports. There are intelligence that can
change the matter it transports, but our transporter cannot
do this yet.
"Live Long and Prosper!"
Michael N. Washington
TRW E&DS Redondo Beach, Ca. 90278
{ucbvax,decvax,hplabs}!trwrb!trwrba!mnwandrews@yale.ARPA (Thomas O. Andrews) (05/06/85)
Keywords: I don't remember much of my Star Trek trivial, but couldn't all of this mess be explained by saying that the transporter was a gift from the Organians (I believe that is the name of the race.) This would explain why the Federation scientists can't use it to make a limitless source off diamonds, people, etc. I know that they mention that the transporter has been improved, but maybe the Federation still doesn't have a clear idea of how it works. In any event, trying to explain how it works here on the net is rather foolish. In one episode (name?) the transporter splits Kirk into a nasty Kirk and a wimpy Kirk. Thus, the transporter can't only work by transferring the atoms. The transporters seem like a technology out of the league of the Federations, or the Klingons, Romulans, Vulcans. They must have been designed by someone else . . . -- Thomas Andrews 17? My dear, what worthless, superstitious nonsense!
guads@nmtvax.UUCP (05/09/85)
In article <> andrews@yale-comix.UUCP (Thomas O. Andrews) writes: > I don't remember much of my Star Trek trivial, but couldn't >all of this mess be explained by saying that the transporter was >a gift from the Organians (I believe that is the name of the race.) >This would explain why the Federation scientists can't use it to >make a limitless source off diamonds, people, etc. > > Thomas Andrews The transporter couldn't be a gift of the Organians' because the Federation had it long (?) before they even knew of the Organians. Remember: Spock and Kirk had to beam down to Organia (on an "Errand of Mercy," which is the title of the episode with the Organians). On another point, you mention that Federation scientists can't use the transporter to make diamonds and such, but in "The Squire of Gothos" when Trelane (the alien who turns out to be a wimpy kid) offers the Federation officers gems and gold, Kirk tells him that they can make as much of the stuff as they want. Was he lying or what? They may not be able to make it in the transporter, but assuming he wasn't lying, they can make the stuff. Anyway... -- -Lautzy (Romulan) ...unmvax!nmtvax!guads
gts@wjh12.UUCP (G. T. Samson) (05/13/85)
> The transporter couldn't be a gift of the Organians' because the Federation > had it long (?) before they even knew of the Organians. Remember: Spock and > Kirk had to beam down to Organia (on an "Errand of Mercy," which is the title > of the episode with the Organians). > -Lautzy (Romulan) > ...unmvax!nmtvax!guads Yes, it could have been a gift. Ever read the Lensman books by EESmith? The entire inertialess drive idea is a "gift" from the Arisians, given by the simple expedient of having an Arisian "energize" a human body and tell it what to do...and they told the inventor of the drive, Bergenholm, what to do to make the real drive out of the stumblings of Rodebush and Cleveland. So what's to say the Organians don't do the same to the humans? They just "pop the idea" into the mind of some lucky inventor, and presto! There's the transporter. Also, they won't be completely sure why it works, since they just told the tech who built it HOW to build it and not WHY. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: G. T. Samson Quote: "No matter where you go...there you are." -- B. Banzai Other_Quote: "You speak treason!" "Fluently!" -- The Doctor ARPA: gts@wjh12 [preferred] OR samson%h-sc4@harvard USMail: Lowell H-41, Harvard U., Cambridge, MA 02138
nessus@nsc.UUCP (Kchula-Rrit) (06/06/85)
> In article <> andrews@yale-comix.UUCP (Thomas O. Andrews) writes: > > > I don't remember much of my Star Trek trivial, but couldn't > >all of this mess be explained by saying that the transporter was > >a gift from the Organians (I believe that is the name of the race.) > >This would explain why the Federation scientists can't use it to > >make a limitless source off diamonds, people, etc. > > > > Thomas Andrews > > ... > > On another point, you mention that Federation scientists can't use the > transporter to make diamonds and such, but in "The Squire of Gothos" when > Trelane (the alien who turns out to be a wimpy kid) offers the Federation > officers gems and gold, Kirk tells him that they can make as much of the > stuff as they want. Was he lying or what? They may not be able to make it > in the transporter, but assuming he wasn't lying, they can make the stuff. > Anyway... > > -Lautzy (Romulan) It seems to me that if the transporter could break down an object or person into energy and reassemble same, that the reassembly info could be dumped to a tape or disk or ???. That way things like gems and diamonds could be duplicated at will(such as when Star Fleet doesn't come up with the paychecks on time :-). But then, if this were possible, the Enterprise wouldn't run out di-lithium every once in a while and the show would lack... Also, when some of the [expendable] crew members were terminated, they could make backup copies from tape or disk; then again, I can't imagine that cloning around would be tolerated on a military vessel... from the alter ego of-- Kchula-Rrit
cjbiggin@watmath.UUCP (Colin Biggin) (06/10/85)
>> > I don't remember much of my Star Trek trivial, but couldn't >> >all of this mess be explained by saying that the transporter was >> >a gift from the Organians (I believe that is the name of the race.) >> > >> > Thomas Andrews How can you possibly say this. The first contact with Organians was in 'Errand of Mercy' where Kirk and Spock BEAMED down to the planet. If (i) this was the first encounter with the Organians, they could not beam down to the planet since they would not have yet been given the transporter... (ii) this was not the first encounter and they had been given the transporter by the Organians, then Kirk and Spock would have known that this was an advanced culture and not a bunch of 'sheep'... Hence, the Organians could not possibly have given them the transporter. At least, from my knowledge of the episodes they haven't. Perhaps there is an explanation in one of the subsequent books... cheers, -- Colin Biggin Univperversity of Wonderloo Waterloo, Ontario "They were the best of times, they were the worst of times. No, I think they were probably the New York Times."
jak@talcott.UUCP (Joe Konstan) (06/14/85)
> >> > I don't remember much of my Star Trek trivial, but couldn't > >> >all of this mess be explained by saying that the transporter was > >> >a gift from the Organians (I believe that is the name of the race.) > >> > > >> > Thomas Andrews > > How can you possibly say this. The first contact with Organians was > in 'Errand of Mercy' where Kirk and Spock BEAMED down to the planet. > > If (i) this was the first encounter with the Organians, they could not > beam down to the planet since they would not have yet been > given the transporter... We know this is not the case, since they have had the Enterprise for a while before encountering Organia, and Klingons, Romulans, etc. also had transporters. > (ii) this was not the first encounter and they had been given the > transporter by the Organians, then Kirk and Spock would have > known that this was an advanced culture and not a bunch of > 'sheep'... Unless the Federation (et. al.) was unaware that the Organians were involved. Perhaps the Organians have "missionaries" who travel the universe and take the form of natives, thereby allowing them to impart selected scientific advancements without being detected. -Mithrandir jak@talcott.{UUCP,ARPA}