wanttaja@ssc-vax.UUCP (Ronald J Wanttaja) (05/06/85)
<"Cylons approaching, range five Microns." "Don't fire 'till you see the whites of their nuclei!"> The (good 'ol) Enterprise against the Galactica? Aw, come on now, the Big E could clean its clock any day! The scenario for such a battle is easy to envision. The Galactica, passing through Klingon territory, hears Kirk described as "A tin-plated dictator with delusions of godhood." Adama naturally assumes Kirk is some sort of high-powered Cylon, and moves to attack. Lets take a look at armaments, first: The Galactica has 3 Viper squadrons, augmented by one squadron left by Battlestar Pegasus (Silver Spar squadron). Say, 18 to a squadron, gives 72 Vipers the Big E must face, coupled with the close-in defenses of Galactica itself (flexible mounted dual weapons). Vipers armed with some sort of "Blaster." The Enterprise has multiple Phaser batteries, and two Photon Torpedo tubes. Plus items usually used for other purposes, like tractor beams, transporters, and the "meteor sweeper" mounted on the engineering hull. Defenses: Galactica had something called "shields," but I seem to recall these were physical shields dropped over the bridge windows when under attack. The Vipers have no defensive systems at all. Enterprise has its shields, able to withstand phaser hits, and functional against near-misses by photon torpedoes. Propulsion: Galactica has (nuclear?) reaction propulsion, Vipers have chemical reaction propulsion. Neither capable of FTL travel. Evidence: in the Two-parter with Lloyd Bridges (Commander Kane) he says, "We'll even try get her (Pegasus) up to light speed," in a flippant, bouyant way. Enterprise has FTL capability, with high rate of accelleration. Galactica approaches Enterprise behind a semi-hemispherical cover of Viper fighters, intending to place Enterprise at the 'focus' of the Vipers for simultanous attack. Galactical would enter the fray to polish off "poor creepled Enterprise." Kirk furrow his brow quizzically at the approach of the fleet, plows through Vipers, plants a photon torpedo spread into Galactica, and continues with mission. Proof: 1. Vipers are worthless against Big E. Note in the first episode of BG, the Cylons "strafe" people on a planet. The explosions are minor, people and buidings just fall over. The Viper blasters are probably the same. In other words, LESS POWERFUL THAN A HAND PHASER! Phasers burn things, dematerialize things, and probably would slice a Viper instantly. If I were Kirk, I would "Raster scan" ship's phasers towards approaching Vipers. 2. Vipers are vulnerable. Note, in "Tommorow is Yesterday," the Big E shreds an F-104, which, coincidentally, is what the Vipers were modeled after, using the tractor beam. Why not use it (and the "meteor sweeper") on the Vipers? 3. Enterprise is invulnerable. Note that in "Balance of Terror" the shields deflect most of the energy of a point-blank nuclear detonation. I don't think anything the Vipers or the Galactica pack could get through the shields. 4. Since the "Galactica universe" doesn't have FTL, it would be quite likely they wouldn't be able to detect the big E when same is under warp drive (Does HMS Victory has ASW?). Enterprise could go into warp, position itself, and pick them off, one by one. Although I don't have any of my references with me, I am confident in saying the Galactica is pretty puny by Star Trek standards. Ron Wanttaja (ssc-vax!wanttaja) "Mr Scott... what are those dark smears on the hull?" "That's where those Viper hit us, sir?" "Their weapons do any damage?" "Ach, they didn't shoot us, you ran us through a pack of them..."
adolph@ssc-vax.UUCP (Mark Adolph) (05/06/85)
"Let's get the hell out of here..." > The (good 'ol) Enterprise against the Galactica? Aw, come on now, the Big > E could clean its clock any day! While we're playing "what-if", I think that the Enterprise vs one of Darth Vader's Death Stars would be an interesting little conflict. The Death Star seems to have a problem in that it takes a considerable amount of time to launch a shot. But if it got a shot off, the Enterprise would be history in fairly short order. Like Galactica's fighters, I can't imagine that Kirk would be at all impressed by those TIE fighters. Now, how good is the Enterprise's targetting computer. Could it hit that little 3 meter exhaust port with a photon torpedo? -- Mark A. ...!uw-beaver!ssc-vax!adolph "1 + 1 = 3, for sufficiently large values of 1..."
edward@ukma.UUCP (Edward C. Bennett) (05/08/85)
In article <707@ssc-vax.UUCP>, wanttaja@ssc-vax.UUCP (Ronald J Wanttaja) writes: > > Lets take a look at armaments, first: > > The Galactica has 3 Viper squadrons, augmented by one squadron left by > Battlestar Pegasus (Silver Spar squadron). Say, 18 to a squadron, gives 72 > Vipers the Big E must face, coupled with the close-in defenses of Galactica > itself (flexible mounted dual weapons). Vipers armed with some sort of > "Blaster." The Galactica also has a forward-firing HIGH power laser cannon. In one episode, I believe they destroy a Cylon Baseship with it in one blast. > Propulsion: > > Galactica has (nuclear?) reaction propulsion...[not] capable of FTL.. > Evidence: in the Two-parter with Lloyd Bridges (Commander Kane) he > says, "We'll even try get her (Pegasus) up to light speed," in a > flippant, bouyant way. As I recall, a more complete quote is, "And if you don't mind me burning up half my fuel, I'll even try to bring her up to light speed." Apparently, Battlestars are gas guzzlers. ;-) > 4. Since the "Galactica universe" doesn't have FTL, it would be quite In the episode of BG where they find a planet of people who've been making Ambrosia for centuries, a Viper was heavily modified to give it FTL capability. It had a voice recognition/speech synthesis computer named, I believe, C.O.R.A. > Ron Wanttaja > (ssc-vax!wanttaja) resident trekker, -- edward {ucbvax,unmvax,boulder,research}!anlams! -| {mcvax!qtlon,vax135,mddc}!qusavx! -|--> ukma!edward {decvax,ihnp4,mhuxt,clyde,osu-eddie,ulysses}!cbosgd! -| "Well, what's on the television then?" "Looks like a penguin."
chris@leadsv.UUCP (Chris Salander) (05/08/85)
If any of you are interested in simulating combat between
the Enterprise and the Galactica - there is a way to do it.
You may have already heard of a board game called Star Fleet
Battles. It has counters for all the different ships used by
all the different races that an Federation starship might run
into. This includes the Romulans, Klingons, Gorn, and others
such as Kzinti, Hydrans, Andromedans, and the Tholians.
Now the Kzinti (ref. the novels, not the series), tend to
use "aircraft carrier" type spaceships that launch fighters,
much like the Battlestar Galactica. (This is suppose to be in
keeping with the highly individualistic Kzinti, who like to
fight alone). Using the Kzinti ships from the game you can
simulate the Galactica. There are also expansion kits to this
game which give almost every race an "aircraft carrier & fighters"
type starship. You could try those if you don't think the
Kzinti are close enough to the Galactica.
The game will also allow you to explore the use of Dreadnaughts,
Cruisers, Scouts, Tugs, Base Stations, and all sorts of fun stuff.
Just don't expect to see certain words in the games (such as
Mr. Spock, Star Trek, James T. Kirk). Apparently Paramount has
a legal lock on the use of those terms.
- Chris Salander
*Eddie Murphy and Billy Idol in a "fun" Star Trek???
*I 'tink I'm gohin to be space sick.goldman@umn-cs.UUCP (Matthew D. Goldman ) (05/11/85)
In article <707@ssc-vax.UUCP> wanttaja@ssc-vax.UUCP (Ronald J Wanttaja) writes: ><"Cylons approaching, range five Microns." "Don't fire 'till you see the >whites of their nuclei!"> > >The (good 'ol) Enterprise against the Galactica? Aw, come on now, the Big >E could clean its clock any day! HA!! > >Galactica had something called "shields," but I seem to recall these were >physical shields dropped over the bridge windows when under attack. The >Vipers have no defensive systems at all. Energy force screens capable of stopping point blank nuclear explosions, heavy energy weapon fire ect. > >Enterprise has its shields, able to withstand phaser hits, and functional >against near-misses by photon torpedoes. > >Propulsion: > >Galactica has (nuclear?) reaction propulsion, Vipers have chemical reaction >propulsion. Neither capable of FTL travel. Evidence: in the Two-parter >with Lloyd Bridges (Commander Kane) he says, "We'll even try get her >(Pegasus) up to light speed," in a flippant, bouyant way. rest of quote... "if you don't mind me burnining up this precious fuel of yours." the episode had revolve around a conflict between Adama and Kane but thats not important now :-) > >Enterprise has FTL capability, with high rate of accelleration. > >Galactica approaches Enterprise behind a semi-hemispherical cover of Viper >fighters, intending to place Enterprise at the 'focus' of the Vipers for >simultanous attack. Galactical would enter the fray to polish off "poor >creepled Enterprise." > >Kirk furrow his brow quizzically at the approach of the fleet, plows >through Vipers, plants a photon torpedo spread into Galactica, and is vaporised. > >Proof: > >1. Vipers are worthless against Big E. Note in the first episode of BG, >the Cylons "strafe" people on a planet. The explosions are minor, people >and buidings just fall over. The Viper blasters are probably the same. In buildings falling over seems rather severe, they couldn't show on TV the people being vaporized... >other words, LESS POWERFUL THAN A HAND PHASER! Phasers burn things, >dematerialize things, and probably would slice a Viper instantly. If I >were Kirk, I would "Raster scan" ship's phasers towards approaching Vipers. > Can't Raster scan phasers, slow rate of fire >2. Vipers are vulnerable. Note, in "Tommorow is Yesterday," the Big E >shreds an F-104, which, coincidentally, is what the Vipers were modeled >after, using the tractor beam. Why not use it (and the "meteor sweeper") >on the Vipers? > >3. Enterprise is invulnerable. Note that in "Balance of Terror" the >shields deflect most of the energy of a point-blank nuclear detonation. I >don't think anything the Vipers or the Galactica pack could get through >the shields. > gee I thought they were always burning out and failing if Kirk didn't keep turning the ship, you can't do that against many small ships. >4. Since the "Galactica universe" doesn't have FTL, it would be quite >likely they wouldn't be able to detect the big E when same is under warp >drive (Does HMS Victory has ASW?). Enterprise could go into warp, position >itself, and pick them off, one by one. they do have FTL drives but their tanks are dry. > >Although I don't have any of my references with me, I am confident in >saying the Galactica is pretty puny by Star Trek standards. > > > Ron Wanttaja > (ssc-vax!wanttaja) > No referances here but good by big (?) E. Remember the Galactica is approx. 2.5 miles (miles) long. Bump What was that? There arn't potholes in space! I think that was the Enterprise sire. The problem is defining each ship to the other's universe. -- ------- Matthew Goldman Computer Science Department University of Minnesota ...ihnp4{!stolaf}!umn-cs!goldman Home is where you take your hat off... Banzai!
nessus@nsc.UUCP (Kchula-Rrit) (06/06/85)
> If any of you are interested in simulating combat between > the Enterprise and the Galactica - there is a way to do it. > You may have already heard of a board game called Star Fleet > Battles. It has counters for all the different ships used by > all the different races that an Federation starship might run > into. This includes the Romulans, Klingons, Gorn, and others > such as Kzinti, Hydrans, Andromedans, and the Tholians. > > Now the Kzinti (ref. the novels, not the series), tend to > use "aircraft carrier" type spaceships that launch fighters, > much like the Battlestar Galactica. (This is suppose to be in > keeping with the highly individualistic Kzinti, who like to > fight alone). Using the Kzinti ships from the game you can > simulate the Galactica. There are also expansion kits to this > game which give almost every race an "aircraft carrier & fighters" > type starship. You could try those if you don't think the > Kzinti are close enough to the Galactica. > > ... > - Chris Salander [I found your flame verbose. You scream and you leap.] Are these the same Kzinti from Larry Niven's Known Space series? Was reading some news-groups that I don't normally read and this aroused my curiosity. Kchula-Rrit "Curiosity and cats do not mix."
don@umd5.UUCP (06/07/85)
In article <2801@nsc.UUCP> nessus@nsc.UUCP (Kchula-Rrit) writes: > Are these the same Kzinti from Larry Niven's Known Space series? > Was reading some news-groups that I don't normally read and this > aroused my curiosity. > The SFB Kzinti are loosely based upon the Kzinti in Niven's books. The game designers simply needed another alien race , and they settled on the Kzinti.. -- --==---==---==-- "Space, the final frontier ..." What ?!!? ^ No more ?!? But it's a frontier of frontiers !! --==---==---==-- ___________ _____ ---- _____ \ //---- IDIC ----- _\______//_ ---- ---------- ARPA: umd5!don@maryland.ARPA BITNET: don%umd5@umd2 SPOKEN: Chris Sylvain UUCP: {seismo, rlgvax, allegra, brl-bmd, nrl-css}!umcp-cs!cvl!umd5!don
john@moncol.UUCP (John Ruschmeyer) (06/09/85)
>From: don@umd5.UUCP >Organization: U of Md, CSC, College Park, Md >Message-ID: <558@umd5.UUCP> > >In article <2801@nsc.UUCP> nessus@nsc.UUCP (Kchula-Rrit) writes: >> Are these the same Kzinti from Larry Niven's Known Space series? >> Was reading some news-groups that I don't normally read and this >> aroused my curiosity. >> >The SFB Kzinti are loosely based upon the Kzinti in Niven's books. The >game designers simply needed another alien race , and they settled on >the Kzinti.. Niven adapted his story "The Soft Weapon" into an animated Trek episode. This entered them into Star Trek canon and, presumably, prompted the decision. -- Name: John Ruschmeyer US Mail: Monmouth College, W. Long Branch, NJ 07764 Phone: (201) 222-6600 x366 UUCP: ...!vax135!petsd!moncol!john ...!princeton!moncol!john ...!pesnta!moncol!john Silly Quote: "I wanted to call it 'Nautical Lady' and Fred wanted to call it 'Queen of the Sea'. So we took the first three letters of my name and the last three letters of his."
root@trwatf.UUCP (06/11/85)
>>> Are these the same Kzinti from Larry Niven's Known Space series? >>> Was reading some news-groups that I don't normally read and this >>> aroused my curiosity. >>> >> The SFB Kzinti are loosely based upon the Kzinti in Niven's books. The >> game designers simply needed another alien race , and they settled on >> the Kzinti.. > > Niven adapted his story "The Soft Weapon" into an animated Trek episode. > This entered them into Star Trek canon and, presumably, prompted the > decision. Actually we were wondering if the Kzinti (using large aircraft carrier-like warships) in the SFB games were in fact the same race as those described in Niven's books. Has nothing to do really with the Soft Weapon or the animated adaptation. I would assume that Niven has given his consent to use "Kzinti" in the game. > -- > Name: John Ruschmeyer > US Mail: Monmouth College, W. Long Branch, NJ 07764 And I'll bet you bank at the Long Branch branch of the Red Bank bank.... KER-YUK YUK YUK CHORTL CHORTL HAW HAW HAW -- UUCP: ...{decvax,ihnp4,allegra}!seismo!trwatf!root - Lord Frith ARPA: trwatf!root@SEISMO "Give a man a horse... and he thinks he's enormous"
cjn@calmasd.UUCP (Cheryl Nemeth) (06/14/85)
How many people reading this play Star Fleet Battles?
don@umd5.UUCP (06/15/85)
In article <454@calmasd.UUCP> cjn@calmasd.UUCP (Cheryl Nemeth) writes: >How many people reading this play Star Fleet Battles? Yo! That's me.. -- --==---==---==-- "Space, the final frontier ..." What ?!!? ^ No more ?!? But it's a frontier of frontiers !! --==---==---==-- ___________ _____ ---- _____ \ //---- IDIC ----- _\______//_ ---- ---------- ARPA: umd5!don@maryland.ARPA BITNET: don%umd5@umd2 SPOKEN: Chris Sylvain UUCP: {seismo, rlgvax, allegra, brl-bmd, nrl-css}!umcp-cs!cvl!umd5!don
dossamg@mtuxn.UUCP (A.GOPIN) (06/18/85)
I not only play Star Fleet Battles, I am one of the senior playtesters for Amarillo Design Bureau. (Sorry for posting this, our mail software is brain damaged.) ihnp4!mtuxn!dossamg a.k.a. Cat Who Sleeps With Dogs Commanding 3rd Kzinti Field Force