[net.startrek] A new topic

doug@escher.UUCP (Douglas J Freyburger) (08/07/85)

> Well, I'll start a new topic.  Now after the Enterprise zips by, we see
> it fading off into the distance.  There is no problem finding shows where
> the Enterprise flys by a speeds faster than the speed of light.
> 
> I propose that when the Enterprise zips by faster than the speed of light,
> the we should NOT be able to see it from behind since the light "particles"
> coming from behind it would not be able to catch up to it, bounce off, and
> come back for use to "see" them.  I feel that the particles shouldn't be
> able to reflect off of the back of the Enterprise (since they aren't fast
> enough to "touch" it), so we shouldn't be able to see it.  I would think
> we would see a faint outline on places where the light would reflect.
> 		Mike Laman

There is a better account of what an FTL ship would look
like in some of the Berzerker stories by Fred Saberhagen.
When approaching at FTL, you'd see the ship appear
in-place, and then a sort of retrograde image of it would
jump backwards from it.  It was going faster than light, so
its reflection from close by would get to you before its
reflection from far away.  So you get an instant appearance
with a speed-of-light trailing image moving away from you.

With the ship past you and moving away, I'm not so sure
you'd see it at all.  If you would, you'd get reflections
from the sides of the craft?  Anyways, it'd appear to be
receding at the speed-of-light, but it would be too faint
by the factor of its light-speeds.  Erk.  Does that make
sense?  I don't think I understand the imagery enough on
the receding ship.

Even better, the big-E uses a "warp drive".  If that means
it warps space something like a black hole to evade the
speed-of-light barrier without becoming a tachyon and
ceasing to exist, then we shouldn't be able to see it at
all except by occultations (sp?).  I get the impression
that this "warp drive" is more like some of the "subspace"
drives we've read about.  It puts you in sub-space where
the "sub-light" goes real-fast/infinitely-fast.  If this is
the case, then their graphics computers do an impressive
job of adding together the "normal-space" light and the
"sub-light" images so we can see both on the viewscreen.
Most novels that use these drives just have the viewscreens
go mottled gray.

Doug Freyburger		DOUG@JPL-VLSI, DOUG@JPL-ROBOTICS,
JPL 171-235		...escher!doug, doug@aerospace,
Pasadena, CA 91109	etc.

ccrrick@ucdavis.UUCP (Rick Heli) (08/13/85)

> > Well, I'll start a new topic.  Now after the Enterprise zips by, we see
> > it fading off into the distance.  There is no problem finding shows where
> > the Enterprise flys by a speeds faster than the speed of light.
> > 
> > I propose that when the Enterprise zips by faster than the speed of light,
> > the we should NOT be able to see it from behind since the light "particles"
> > coming from behind it would not be able to catch up to it, bounce off, and
> > come back for use to "see" them.  I feel that the particles shouldn't be
> > able to reflect off of the back of the Enterprise (since they aren't fast
> > enough to "touch" it), so we shouldn't be able to see it.  I would think
> > we would see a faint outline on places where the light would reflect.
> > 		Mike Laman
> 

I recall reading that originally the Enterprise WAS supposed to
disappear when it went into warp speed, but that the idea was
basically scrapped except for the solitary use of the effect in
"Mirror, Mirror."
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					--rick heli
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