ix925@sdcc6.UUCP (Steve Lau) (07/25/85)
Okay everyone, here's a challenge. Everybody knows
sound doesn't travel through space and therefore
outside space scenes shouldn't make any noise, but we
all have seen scenes from sci-fi where the spacecraft
makes a whooshing noise as they go by. My challenge to
you is this...
Has anyone seen a space scene in Star Trek
where they have noise? I haven't. The only
blatant misuse, of course, is in the opening
credits, but during the show, things in space
are silent. Yes, sometimes you do hear the
Enterprise hum a bit, but that could be taken
as an internal sound that you hear from inside
the ship, not like the "whooshes" and "boooms"
of Star Wars and Battlestar Galactica. Did they
do this on purpose when they created Star Trek
or was it just cheaper? (!!)The movies don't
seem to follow the traditon. You hear booms
and whooshes everywhere. Anyone have any
explanations?
Steve Lau
UCSD Academic Computing Center
...!ucbvax!sdcsvax!sdcc3!sdcc6!ix925
Old Star Trek
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(Lights flashing on viewing screen
against field of stars)
(Funny music playing in background)
Sulu: Direct hit! <== I have yet to figure out
how he can tell by just
looking at the stars.
Star Trek II TWOK
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(Action-Suspense music playing in background)
Chekov: Torpedoes locked on target
Kirk: FIRE!
(Outside Enterprise...red glow from tubes)
ZIIIIIRRRRRPPPPPPP!!!!!
KABBBOOOOMMMM!!!!!
SIZZLE! SIZZLE!
CRACK! KABOOM!!
sizzle..sizzle...
Chekov: Got him, sir!
Kirk: Nice shootingbrown@utflis.UUCP (Susan Brown) (07/31/85)
In article <2160@sdcc6.UUCP> ix925@sdcc6.UUCP (Steve Lau) writes: > Okay everyone, here's a challenge. Everybody knows >sound doesn't travel through space and therefore >outside space scenes shouldn't make any noise, but we >all have seen scenes from sci-fi where the spacecraft >makes a whooshing noise as they go by. My challenge to >you is this... > Has anyone seen a space scene in Star Trek > where they have noise? I haven't. The only > blatant misuse, of course, is in the opening > credits, but during the show, things in space > are silent. Yes, sometimes you do hear the > Enterprise hum a bit, but that could be taken > as an internal sound that you hear from inside > the ship, not like the "whooshes" and "boooms" > of Star Wars and Battlestar Galactica. Did they > do this on purpose when they created Star Trek > or was it just cheaper? (!!)The movies don't > seem to follow the traditon. You hear booms > and whooshes everywhere. Anyone have any > explanations? > Steve Lau > I have read that most recently, in ST III, there was considerable discussion about whether Excelsior should make all that racket grinding to a halt, and they decided to go for the big laugh instead of accuracy. Probably this decision was taken in the other movies too. sb
demillo@uwmacc.UUCP (Rob DeMillo) (08/02/85)
> > Okay everyone, here's a challenge. Everybody knows > sound doesn't travel through space and therefore > outside space scenes shouldn't make any noise, but we > all have seen scenes from sci-fi where the spacecraft > makes a whooshing noise as they go by. My challenge to > you is this... > Has anyone seen a space scene in Star Trek > where they have noise? I haven't. > Steve Lau > UCSD Academic Computing Center > ...!ucbvax!sdcsvax!sdcc3!sdcc6!ix925 > ...as a matter of fact, my favorite space explosion of all time, in any media, is the Klingon ship exploding in "Day of the Dove." It's perfect, no music in the background, the beams leap out of the Enterprise, hit the Klingon ship, there is a bright flash with peices of debris, then nothing as the explosion disipates. And, through it all: blessed silence. Who said science was dead? -- --- Rob DeMillo Madison Academic Computer Center ...seismo!uwvax!uwmacc!demillo "...That's enough, that's enough! Television's takin' its toll. Turn it off, turn it off! Give me the remote control! I've been nice! I've been good! Please don't do this to me! I've been nice, turn it off, I don't wanna hav'ta see... ...'The Brady Bunch!'"
trudel@topaz.ARPA (Jon) (08/02/85)
Well, I only seem to remember that the noise was made during the intro
to the show only. I don't remember the source, but Roddenberry (no sp flames,
please!) didn't want to include the SSSSSSSHHHHHHHHH noise, but NBC officials
said that the Intro was too dull & bland, so they forced him to add the
sound effect. Gene was no dummy, he knew all about space bing noiseless.
If you doubt me, check the intro to Where no Man Has Gone Before. No
SSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHH!
--
Jonathan D. Trudel
arpa:trudel@ru-blue.arpa
uucp:{seismo,allegra,ihnp4}!topaz!trudel
"You can't fight in here, this is the WAR ROOM!"lear@topaz.ARPA (eliot lear) (08/03/85)
"Space, the final frontier. {WHHHHOOOOSSSSHHHH!!!!}
These are the voyages of the starship Enterprise...."
Yes, at high speeds, the Enterprise has been known to go
"WHHHHOOOOSSSSHHHH!!!!"
eliot
[lear@topaz.ARPA]
[{packard,seismo,allegra}!topaz!lear]lear@topaz.ARPA (eliot lear) (08/04/85)
I should have said that "BY ANY OTHER NAME" contains "WHHHHOOOOSSSSHHHH!!!!"
Also, you very rarely hear music in space and it doesn't matter what show
it is, it always has music :-)
eliot
[lear@topaz.ARPA]
[{packard,seismo,allegra}!topaz!lear]ugzannin@sunybcs.UUCP (Adrian Zannin) (08/05/85)
> > > > Okay everyone, here's a challenge. Everybody knows > > sound doesn't travel through space and therefore > > outside space scenes shouldn't make any noise, but we > > all have seen scenes from sci-fi where the spacecraft > > makes a whooshing noise as they go by. My challenge to > > you is this... > > Has anyone seen a space scene in Star Trek > > where they have noise? I haven't. > > Steve Lau > > UCSD Academic Computing Center > > ...!ucbvax!sdcsvax!sdcc3!sdcc6!ix925 > > > > ...as a matter of fact, my favorite space explosion of all > time, in any media, is the Klingon ship exploding in > "Day of the Dove." > > It's perfect, no music in the background, the beams leap out > of the Enterprise, hit the Klingon ship, there is a bright flash > with peices of debris, then nothing as the explosion disipates. > And, through it all: blessed silence. Well, how about all those episodes where you see an external view of the Enterprise when the phasers or photon torpedoes are fired and you can hear "TSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHS" for the phasers and "PTOING! PTOING! PTOING!" for the torpedoes? Also, I lost count of how many episodes I've seen where there is that classic shot of the Enterprise coming at the viewer at cruising speed to "pass" by on the viewer's right. You know which shot I mean, right? Anyway, what does the Enterprise do on its way by? It unmistakably *RUMBLES* by. Kinda reminds me of a slow-moving freight train... -- Adrian Zannin ..{burdvax,rocksvax,bbncca,decvax,dual,rocksanne,watmath}!sunybcs!ugzannin
scott@hou2g.UUCP (N. Ersha) (08/05/85)
About "noise" in space: Why hasn't anyone mentioned Phasers and Photon Torps? Seems they ALWAYS made noise in the series. SJB
ran@bentley.UUCP (RA Novo) (08/06/85)
> > Okay everyone, here's a challenge. Everybody knows > sound doesn't travel through space and therefore > outside space scenes shouldn't make any noise, but we > all have seen scenes from sci-fi where the spacecraft > makes a whooshing noise as they go by. My challenge to > you is this... > Has anyone seen a space scene in Star Trek > where they have noise? I haven't. > Steve Lau > UCSD Academic Computing Center > ...!ucbvax!sdcsvax!sdcc3!sdcc6!ix925 > True, sound doesn't carry in space so you can't hear a whoosh as the Enterprise goes by, but then again what business do you have being in a vacuum where you can't breathe? In that case, the intro to Star Trek should be a blank screen with credits. And don't tell me that this is being watched from some nearby class M atmosphere, because then I can say that a starship of that size passing by so closely is bound to cause some vibration. -- Robert A. Novo "Captain! They put creatures AT&T Bell Labs in our ears! They made us say Piscataway, NJ things that weren't true!" ...bentley!ran
morrell@hplabsb.UUCP (08/07/85)
> Well, I only seem to remember that the noise was made during the intro > to the show only. I don't remember the source, but Roddenberry (no sp flames, > please!) didn't want to include the SSSSSSSHHHHHHHHH noise, but NBC officials > said that the Intro was too dull & bland, so they forced him to add the > sound effect. Gene was no dummy, he knew all about space bing noiseless. > If you doubt me, check the intro to Where no Man Has Gone Before. No > SSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHH! > -- > Jonathan D. Trudel And speaking of 'Where No Man Has Gone Before', has anyone noticed that it is also the only episode without Kirk's "Space...The Final Frontier" speech during the intro?
zeke@dartvax.UUCP (Edward M. Zebrowski) (08/09/85)
In article <2160@sdcc6.UUCP> ix925@sdcc6.UUCP (Steve Lau) writes: > > Okay everyone, here's a challenge. Everybody knows >sound doesn't travel through space and therefore >outside space scenes shouldn't make any noise, but we >all have seen scenes from sci-fi where the spacecraft >makes a whooshing noise as they go by. My challenge to >you is this... > Has anyone seen a space scene in Star Trek > where they have noise? I haven't. The only > blatant misuse, of course, is in the opening > credits, but during the show, things in space > are silent. Yes, sometimes you do hear the > Enterprise hum a bit, but that could be taken > as an internal sound that you hear from inside > the ship, not like the "whooshes" and "boooms" > of Star Wars and Battlestar Galactica. Did they > do this on purpose when they created Star Trek > or was it just cheaper? (!!)The movies don't > seem to follow the traditon. You hear booms > and whooshes everywhere. Anyone have any > explanations? > Apparently they add the sound to enhance the action going on. They think that action without the sound is boring and the public won't like it. I remember reading in one of those "All about Star Trek" books that in certain places they added the "whoosh" sound in the movies for this very reason. Ed Zebrowski "Jim--your name is Jim!"
friedman@uiucdcs.Uiuc.ARPA (08/13/85)
With all this talk about the "WHOOSHH", I'm surprised no one has yet pointed out the noise (I think of it as a "rumble") shown in many, if not all, shots of the Enterprise flying by DURING episodes. E.g., you can observe this in "Menagerie". It seems to be designed to give an impression of a "normal" flying speed, as it is usually used with a fairly leisurly paced Enterprise flyby.
barb@oliven.UUCP (Barbara Jernigan) (08/22/85)
> > Apparently they add the sound to enhance the action going on. They think > that action without the sound is boring and the public won't like it. > It also has to do with point of reference. To be completely accurate, all the discovered aliens in the galaxy shouldn't speak American English, either. But the creators must use tools in the common viewer's (as which, I doubt, we classify) experience. Ergo, ships speeding by make WHOOSHING sounds, phasers go zing, and the gravity field of the ship gets real finicky when there are nearby (or even not so nearby) explosions. Admittedly, WE know better -- so it's good for a few laughs. After all, Star Trek was created for the popular audience, not we specialists -- which makes it the more remarkable. On the other hand (and off the force field around the galaxy*) won't WE be surprised when, passed by a starship, say four hundred years from now, it goes WHOOSH? So much for speculation. (Ain't it fun?) ___________________ ______________\ Barb ___________ | ______ / . / / o .ooo. ./ /. . o@ooo0 .ooooo. .ooooo. .oooo oo..oo oo...ooo ooo..ooo \ .oo oo oooooo oooooo ooo ooo *Speaking of the force field around the galaxy, anybody out there have a pseudo-explanation why it's a RING rather than a sphere-edge? I mean, going by the way it was represented, why didn't they just go around it???? Huh? Huh?