djd@bcsaic.UUCP (dennis j. doherty) (09/23/85)
I just got the video tape of "where no man has gone before" and the tombstone that Gary Mitchell sets up for kirk has his name as "James R. Kirk" not "James T. Kirk". The quality of the recording is very good and you can see it clearly when Gray (Gray Lockwood) tries to get out of the grave. Yours in UNIX Dennis P.S. LLAP
pmm1920@ritcv.UUCP (10/09/85)
> > I just got the video tape of "where no man has gone before" > and the tombstone that Gary Mitchell sets up for kirk has his name > as "James R. Kirk" not "James T. Kirk". The quality of the recording > is very good and you can see it clearly when Gray (Gray Lockwood) > tries to get out of the grave. > For those of you who own the photo novel for "Where No Man Has Gone Before", you would easily be able to tell that it read "R." (Sometimes people do everything the hard way.) My personal feelings on it is that it was done on purpose to show that it truly wasn't Kirk's grave. Also, it showed the limits on Gary's powers at the time. Paul Meyerhofer
dave@andromeda.UUCP (Dave Bloom) (10/09/85)
> > For those of you who own the photo novel for "Where No Man Has Gone > Before", you would easily be able to tell that it read "R." (Sometimes > people do everything the hard way.) > My personal feelings on it is that it was done on purpose to show that > it truly wasn't Kirk's grave. Also, it showed the limits on Gary's powers > at the time. > > Paul Meyerhofer Oh come on.... You can't explain everything away. 'Where No Man Has Gone Before' was the first televised episode, before there was any mention of 'James T. Kirk'. It's obvious that they forgot about the middle initial and gave him a new one later. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- allegra\ Dave Bloom harvard \ pyramid\ seismo \ pyrnj >!andromeda!dave HOME: (201) 868-1764 ut-sally >!topaz/ WORK: (201) 648-5083 sri-iu / ihnp4!packard / "You're never alone with a schizophrenic...."
john@moncol.UUCP (John Ruschmeyer) (10/14/85)
>From: pmm1920@ritcv.UUCP >Message-ID: <8942@ritcv.UUCP> >Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology, Rochester, NY > >> I just got the video tape of "where no man has gone before" >> and the tombstone that Gary Mitchell sets up for kirk has his name >> as "James R. Kirk" not "James T. Kirk". The quality of the recording >> is very good and you can see it clearly when Gray (Gray Lockwood) >> tries to get out of the grave. > > For those of you who own the photo novel for "Where No Man Has Gone >Before", you would easily be able to tell that it read "R." (Sometimes >people do everything the hard way.) >My personal feelings on it is that it was done on purpose to show that >it truly wasn't Kirk's grave. Also, it showed the limits on Gary's powers >at the time. Also, having "R" as a middle initial would have made it even harder to convince Nomad of its error. Jackson Roykirk - James R. Kirk (?) :-) -- Name: John Ruschmeyer US Mail: Monmouth College, W. Long Branch, NJ 07764 Phone: (201) 222-6600 x366 UUCP: ...!vax135!petsd!moncol!john ...!princeton!moncol!john ...!pesnta!moncol!john "It all started out as a mild curiousity in a junkyard... and now it's turned out to be quite a spirit of adventure."
steph@graffiti.UUCP (stephanie da silva) (10/14/85)
> > > > Oh come on.... You can't explain everything away. 'Where No Man Has Gone > Before' was the first televised episode, before there was any mention of > 'James T. Kirk'. It's obvious that they forgot about the middle initial > and gave him a new one later. I distinctly remember watching the first Star Trek episode (so many years ago) and the one I recall to be the first was "The Man Trap". (But this was in Canada). I thought that "Where No Man Has Gone Before" was the third regularly televised episode.
dtuttle@uw-june (David C. Tuttle) (10/17/85)
>> Oh come on.... You can't explain everything away. 'Where No Man Has Gone >> Before' was the first televised episode, before there was any mention of >> 'James T. Kirk'. It's obvious that they forgot about the middle initial >> and gave him a new one later. > *** From: steph@graffiti.UUCP (stephanie da silva) *** > I distinctly remember watching the first Star Trek episode > and the one I recall to be the first was "The Man Trap". (But this was in > Canada). I thought that "Where No Man Has Gone Before" was the third > regularly televised episode. "Where No Man Has Gone Before" was the first *produced* episode. "The Man Trap" was the first *aired* episode. (NBC network officials switched the order because they wanted a more ) (typical monster-attcks-humans sci-fi episode to launch the series. ) (Sorry to reiterate what a lot of Trekkies know already... :-) Anyway, I think the order of production is what's pertinent here, not necessarily the order of broadcast... If it says "JAMES R. KIRK" on the tombstone, then it probably was before they decided that T. was better... Frankly, it don't matter to me none... I'll still enjoy watching it. But I do wonder... did they decide on the middle name "Tiberius" in the 60's, during the original run, or in the 70's, for the cartoon series? "James Tiberius Kirk" was used only in the cartoons... ============================================================================ David C. Tuttle "Life is just a parade of Republicans and meat." Computer Science Dept. -- Zippy the Pinhead University of Washington {ihnp4,decvax,ucbvax}!uw-beaver!uw-june!dtuttle
marvinm@ttidcb.UUCP (Marvin Moskowitz) (10/22/85)
In article <301@graffiti.UUCP> steph@graffiti.UUCP (stephanie da silva) writes: >> > >> >> Oh come on.... You can't explain everything away. 'Where No Man Has Gone >> Before' was the first televised episode, before there was any mention of >> 'James T. Kirk'. It's obvious that they forgot about the middle initial >> and gave him a new one later. > >I distinctly remember watching the first Star Trek episode (so many years ago) >and the one I recall to be the first was "The Man Trap". (But this was in >Canada). I thought that "Where No Man Has Gone Before" was the third >regularly televised episode. Your memory is correct. WNMHGB was filmed first, but shown later. This is why the Doctor and uniforms are different, and they use laser rifles instead of phaser. The only curious item is that I seem to remember Spock already refering to Kirk as Jim, which they cooled off for a while Marv Moskowitz
frith@trwrdc.UUCP (Lord Frith) (10/24/85)
In article <8942@ritcv.UUCP> pmm1920@ritcv.UUCP writes: >> >> I just got the video tape of "where no man has gone before" >> and the tombstone that Gary Mitchell sets up for kirk has his name >> as "James R. Kirk" not "James T. Kirk". The quality of the recording >> is very good and you can see it clearly when Gray (Gray Lockwood) >> tries to get out of the grave. >> > > For those of you who own the photo novel for "Where No Man Has Gone > Before", you would easily be able to tell that it read "R." (Sometimes > people do everything the hard way.) > My personal feelings on it is that it was done on purpose to show that > it truly wasn't Kirk's grave. Also, it showed the limits on Gary's powers > at the time. More than likely it shows that James T. Kirk's middle name changed between the filming of the pilot and the filming of the remaining episodes for the first series. This doesn't sound too unreasonable to me. Why must there be such deep significance attached to the every production element of a narrowly budgeted 1960's television show?
johnw@astroatc.UUCP (10/28/85)
In article <487@ttidcb.UUCP> marvinm@ttidcb.UUCP (Marvin Moskowitz) writes: about WNMHGM (tombstone T vx. R junk) and make the comment: >and they use laser rifles instead of phaser. My understanding is that there are several types of phasers. (The deranged captain Tracy in the "yans vs coms" show (The Omega Glory) orders Kirk to tell the Enterprise to beem down "six phaser #2s with three extra power-packs each" or something like that (anyone got it on tape?)) Type 1: Small, concealabe hand model Type 2: Pistal type used in most shows. Type 3: The "paser-rifle" used in WNMHGB4 (85% cofident on PHASER not LASER!) Type 4: The "paser-cannon" used in "The Managerie" (Where Spock mutainously hijacks E to take Pike to _____ (name that planet)) Type 5: Main ship phasers. Type 6: Alien versions. (Name all the shows and aliens that use phasers) -- John W - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Name: John F. Wardale UUCP: ... {seismo | harvard | ihnp4} !uwvax!astroatc!johnw arpa: astroatc!johnw@rsch.wisc.edu snail: 5800 Cottage Gr. Rd. ;;; Madison WI 53716 audio: 608-221-9001 eXt 110 To err is human, to really foul up world news requires the net!
cipher@mmm.UUCP (Andre Guirard) (11/13/85)
In article <1076@trwrdc.UUCP> frith@trwrdc.UUCP (Lord Frith) writes: >More than likely it shows that James T. Kirk's middle name changed >between the filming of the pilot and the filming of the remaining >episodes for the first series.... > Why must there be such deep significance attached to the every >production element of a narrowly budgeted 1960's television show? Blasphemy! This person obviously believes Star Trek is just fiction !:-) -- Andre Guirard The Mad Potato Peel ihnp4!mmm!cipher =/?! it's magic!