neutron@hpfcla.UUCP (01/25/86)
Chris Durham says: > In "The Menagerie", Spock states that what they are viewing on the screen > ocurred 13 years ago. "Space Seed" happened after "The Menagerie", I think > all will agree on that. STII, The Wrath of Khan, happened 15 years after > "Space Seed", according to Khan. This makes the Enterprise at least 28 years > old. The Commander of Star Fleet, in STIII, said that the Enterprise was 20 > years old. Can anyone give a reasonable "rationalization" ... Perhaps when Khan said "15 years" he meant local years on the planet he was stranded on (Ceti Alpha 3?). For things to work out, a Ceti Alpha 3 year must be about half of a Federation standard (Earth?) year. This gives us 13+15/2 or about 20 standard years for the age of the Enterprise. -Jack "1/256 vulcan" Applin hplabs!hpfcdc!jack (Note: due to braindamaged HP notes software/administration, the return address in the headers may be incorrect)
ins_bbdg@jhunix.UUCP (James T. Kirk) (02/05/86)
> Chris Durham says: > > > In "The Menagerie", Spock states that what they are viewing on the screen > > ocurred 13 years ago. "Space Seed" happened after "The Menagerie", I think > > all will agree on that. STII, The Wrath of Khan, happened 15 years after > > "Space Seed", according to Khan. This makes the Enterprise at least 28 years > > old. The Commander of Star Fleet, in STIII, said that the Enterprise was 20 > > years old. Can anyone give a reasonable "rationalization" ... > > Perhaps when Khan said "15 years" he meant local years on the planet he was > stranded on (Ceti Alpha 3?). For things to work out, a Ceti Alpha 3 year must > be about half of a Federation standard (Earth?) year. This gives us 13+15/2 or > about 20 standard years for the age of the Enterprise. > I believe the Commander of Star Fleet (in STIII) said that the Enterprise was 20 years *out of date* and therefore should be decommissioned. -- "My favorite kind of diplomacy is a fully charged phaser bank." BITNET: P99I2691 at JHUVM, INS_BBDG at JHUVMS UUCP: seismo!umcp-cs!aplvax!aplcen!jhunix!ins_bbdg CSNET: ins_bbdg@jhunix ARPA: ins_bbdg%jhunix@hopkins.ARPA
ins_bdk@jhunix.UUCP (Deborah Kravitz) (02/06/86)
Sorry...your solution (about the Ceti Alpha years being half the federation standard year) doesn't work either. If you recall in STII, the scene between Kirk and Carol Marcus, she asks him how he feels. Kirk responds something like "...there's a man I haven't seen for fifteen years trying to kill me..." which means that Khan was on Ceti Alpha for fifteen federation standard years as well... Face facts...the movie makers screwed up! Ted Ying (borrowed account) Send all responses to: ins_atty@jhunix
tom@utcsri.UUCP (Tom Nadas) (02/07/86)
I agree the Enterprise must be at least 28 Earth years old. I figure
Star Fleet Commander Morrow must have been from the Martian Colonies,
so 20 mars years would be about 40 earth years :-)
Robert J. Sawyer
in Toronto
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CSNET: tom@torontotom@utcsri.UUCP (Tom Nadas) (02/07/86)
But is that old Ceti Alpha 5 years, based on its original orbit? Or
new Ceti Alpha 5 years, based on its new orbit after Ceti Alpha 6 blew up?
I think somebody working on the film preferred to re-write Federation
history, making the Enterprise's age more in line with how long ago
the series had been on TV.
Robert J. Sawyer
in Toronto
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