timpson@comet2.DEC (THE REST... THE UNIVERSE) (02/01/86)
>> Secondly, hopefully the Federation is not in the practice of keeping >>four heavy crusiers together all the time! There were only 12 or 13 (I keep >>getting conflicting information) when they first came out and as the biggest >>ships in the Federation they were very important. >How could "heavy cruisers" be the "biggest" catagory of ships? Wouldn't >the largest ships be called "battleships" or "dreadnoughts" or something? Heavy Cruisers are the largest. The dreadnought class never got of the ground. Starfleet nixed them before construction began. Steve
ins_akew@jhunix.UUCP (Montgomery Scott) (02/03/86)
> >> Secondly, hopefully the Federation is not in the practice of keeping > >>four heavy crusiers together all the time! There were only 12 or 13 (I keep > >>getting conflicting information) when they first came out and as the biggest > >>ships in the Federation they were very important. > >How could "heavy cruisers" be the "biggest" catagory of ships? Wouldn't > >the largest ships be called "battleships" or "dreadnoughts" or something? > Heavy Cruisers are the largest. The dreadnought class never got of the ground. > Starfleet nixed them before construction began. I once read somewhere that the "USS Federation" was the largest starship. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ How can you eat that? Simple, I chew it! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Kevin E. Weiland BITNET: P13I0746 at JHUVM , INS_AKEW at JHUVMS UUCP: seismo!umcp-cs!jhunix!ins_akew CSNET: ins_akew@jhunix ARPA: ins_akew%jhunix@wiscvm.ARPA
brahms@spp3.UUCP (Bradley S. Brahms) (02/04/86)
>Heavy Cruisers are the largest. The dreadnought class never got of the ground. >Starfleet nixed them before construction began. > >Steve I'm curious where your got your information that the Federation "nixed" the dreadnoughts. I don't recall ever seeing/reading anything about that. -- Brad Brahms usenet: {decvax,ucbvax,ihnp4}!trwrb!trwspp!brahms arpa: Brahms@usc-eclc
morgan@h-sc1.UUCP (windsor morgan) (02/05/86)
> >Heavy Cruisers are the largest. The dreadnought class never got of the ground. > >Starfleet nixed them before construction began. > > > >Steve > > I'm curious where your got your information that the Federation "nixed" > the dreadnoughts. I don't recall ever seeing/reading anything about that. > > -- Brad Brahms > usenet: {decvax,ucbvax,ihnp4}!trwrb!trwspp!brahms > arpa: Brahms@usc-eclc I remember reading in one of Alan Dean Foster's 'Star Trek Log's' a story about the computer playing practical jokes on the crew. Toward's the end of the story, Our Heroes are up against either Romulans or Klingons and the computer saves them by creating a (super?)dreadnought-shaped balloon, which the enemies destroy while the Big E runs away before the mistake is realized. The narrator or Kirk says that this class was never built because Starfleet thought that so much firepower would never be needed. -- 'Verily, there be no leader as wise as the Vision!' Windsor Morgan Harvard College Cambridge, MA 02138 {decvax,ihnp4}!seismo!harvard!{h-sc1,h-sc4}!morgan OR {harvard,allegra,genrad,ihnp4}!wjh12!cfa!morgan
gjb@unirot.UUCP (02/06/86)
In article <910@h-sc1.UUCP> morgan@h-sc1.UUCP (windsor morgan) writes: >> >Heavy Cruisers are the largest. The dreadnought class never got of the ground. >> >Starfleet nixed them before construction began. >> > >> >Steve >> >> I'm curious where your got your information that the Federation "nixed" >> the dreadnoughts. I don't recall ever seeing/reading anything about that. >> Although perhaps not an 'official' source, the dreadnought class (as well as all the other classes, like the scout and the cargo ship) is described in the Star Trek Technical Manual (check the title, but that's the basic idea.) The Technical Manual does say that the dreadnought class was never built, however. I'm not sure who wrote this book, but I have never seen a dreadnought or heard one mentioned in any episode. -Greg -- -------------- Greg Brail (Greg @ The Soup Kitchen) UUCP : ..{ihnp4,seismo,harvard,ut-sally,allegra}!caip!unirot!gjb ARPA : unirot!gjb@caip.rutgers.edu USNAIL : Don't bother.
ccastkv@gitpyr.UUCP (KEITH VAGLIENTI) (02/07/86)
>>> >Heavy Cruisers are the largest. The dreadnought class never got of the ground. >>> >Starfleet nixed them before construction began. >>> > >>> >Steve >>> >>> I'm curious where your got your information that the Federation "nixed" >>> the dreadnoughts. I don't recall ever seeing/reading anything about that. >>> > > Although perhaps not an 'official' source, the dreadnought >class (as well as all the other classes, like the scout and the cargo >ship) is described in the Star Trek Technical Manual (check the >title, but that's the basic idea.) The Technical Manual does say that >the dreadnought class was never built, however. I'm not sure who >wrote this book, but I have never seen a dreadnought or heard one >mentioned in any episode. The dreadnought's only video appearance was in the animated episode, "Practical Joker" in which the ship's computer fabricates a life size balloon of a ship, just like the one in the Technical Manual, that Sulu identifies as a dreadnought. Sulu also says that the ship was never put into production because it was far larger than anything the Federation needed. -- Keith Conrad Vaglienti Georgia Insitute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 ...!{akgua,allegra,amd,hplabs,ihnp4,seismo,ut-ngp}!gatech!gitpyr!ccastkv In no way should my remarks be considered to reflect the opinions and/or policies of the Georgia Institute of Technology nor GIT's Office of Computing Services. Put another way, its-a not my bosses fault, monkey boy!
chapman@miro.berkeley.edu.BERKELEY.EDU (Brent Chapman) (02/08/86)
In article <264@spp3.UUCP> brahms@spp3.UUCP (Bradley S. Brahms) writes: >>Heavy Cruisers are the largest. The dreadnought class never got of the ground. >>Starfleet nixed them before construction began. >> >>Steve > >I'm curious where your got your information that the Federation "nixed" >the dreadnoughts. I don't recall ever seeing/reading anything about that. > > -- Brad Brahms I believe that it is mentioned in the Star Fleet Technical Manual, on the page with the stats and drawings of the dreadnought. BTW, just what was the Excelsior (Is that the right ship? Whatever that beast that James Sikk (sp?) commanded in movie #3)? I thought it was a dreadnought. Also BTW, there have been at least TWO refits of the Enterprise. She was refitted once before, after the command of Capt. Pike, before Kirk first took command of her.o Brent Chapman chapman@miro.berkeley.edu ucbvax!miro!chapman
ugthomas@sunybcs.UUCP (Timothy Thomas) (02/09/86)
In article <862@decwrl.DEC.COM> timpson@comet2.DEC (THE REST... THE UNIVERSE) writes: >Heavy Cruisers are the largest. The dreadnought class never got of the ground. >Starfleet nixed them before construction began. I have always wondered: Where did the dreadnoughts come from? I know they are in the Tech Manual, but they were never mentioned in the series (were they?). Who had the 'authority' to put them into the manual if they were not in the series? For that matter, were does all this other stuff come from that is in the manual? I would much prefer to see a manual that stuck to the series (even the animated, but that is stretching it). (complain...complain.....complain....) -- ____________ ____/--\____ \______ ___) ( _ ____) "Damn it Jim!, __| |____/ / `--' I'm a programmer not a Doctor!" ) `|=(- \------------' Timothy D. Thomas SUNY/Buffalo Computer Science UUCP: [decvax,dual,rocksanne,watmath,rocksvax]!sunybcs!ugthomas CSnet: ugthomas@buffalo, ARPAnet: ugthomas%buffalo@CSNET-RELAY
fujiura@smurf.DEC (Ichiri Fujiura --- UEG , MKO2-2/B4) (02/11/86)
Greg Brail {ihnp4,seismo,harvard,ut-sally,allegra}!caip!unirot!gjb writes
>In article <910@h-sc1.UUCP> morgan@h-sc1.UUCP (windsor morgan) writes:
>>> >Heavy Cruisers are the largest. The dreadnought class never got of the ground.
>>> >Starfleet nixed them before construction began.
>>> >
>>> >Steve
>>>
>>> I'm curious where your got your information that the Federation "nixed"
>>> the dreadnoughts. I don't recall ever seeing/reading anything about that.
>>>
>
> Although perhaps not an 'official' source, the dreadnought
>class (as well as all the other classes, like the scout and the cargo
>ship) is described in the Star Trek Technical Manual (check the
>title, but that's the basic idea.) The Technical Manual does say that
>the dreadnought class was never built, however. I'm not sure who
>wrote this book, but I have never seen a dreadnought or heard one
>mentioned in any episode.
> -Greg
I heard that dreadnought appeared on cartoon StarTrek.
Is it true ?
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