expert@ukma.UUCP (Dr. Marek's Expert Systems) (10/23/85)
Did anybody ever wandered why when McCoy goes through the portal
and Enterprise vanishes, the landing party intelf doesnt disapear?
Margaret Marek.morgan@h-sc1.UUCP (windsor morgan) (10/26/85)
> > > Did anybody ever wandered why when McCoy goes through the portal > and Enterprise vanishes, the landing party intelf doesnt disapear? > > Margaret Marek. Perhaps the Time Portal created some 'temporal field' that protected it, the planet, and everything on it from being changed. From the written version of 'Yesteryear', in which Spock goes to Vulcan to save himself, this idea was suggested. -- 'Verily, there be no leader as wise as the Vision!' Windsor Morgan Harvard College Cambridge, MA 02138 {decvax,ihnp4}!seismo!harvard!{h-sc1,h-sc4}!morgan OR {harvard,allegra,genrad,ihnp4}!wjh12!cfa!morgan
morrell@hplabsb.UUCP (10/29/85)
> > > Did anybody ever wandered why when McCoy goes through the portal > and Enterprise vanishes, the landing party intelf doesnt disapear? > > Margaret Marek. I'm not sure, but I'd guess that the Guardian 'protected' them from the time change by virtue of their being on the planet.
ayers@convexs.UUCP (10/30/85)
>Did anybody ever wandered why when McCoy goes through the portal >and Enterprise vanishes, the landing party intelf doesnt disapear? They asked and answered the same question at that point of the show. Had to do with a temporary field around the portal...
tainter@ihlpg.UUCP (Tainter) (01/07/86)
>Did anybody ever wandered why when McCoy goes through the portal >and Enterprise vanishes, the landing party intelf doesnt disapear? This is a property which must appear in all time travel into the past to avoid the GRANDFATHER CLAUSE (that is eliminating oneself-- usually stated as going back and killing your grandfather). The best explanation for this phenomenon is divergent time lines. This is NOT the one used in ST time travel.
cipher@mmm.UUCP (Andre Guirard) (01/14/86)
In article <1525@ihlpg.UUCP> tainter@ihlpg.UUCP (Tainter) writes: >>Did anybody ever wandered why when McCoy goes through the portal >>and Enterprise vanishes, the landing party intelf doesnt disapear? > >This is a property which must appear in all time travel into the past... >The best explanation for this phenomenon is divergent time lines. Actually, I think area immediately surrounding the Guardian was "protected" from time-travel-induced changes by a field of some sort. It would make sense for the designers to have built this sort of thing in, because otherwise the time portal would have been _very_ difficult to use. Actually though, this is a little different from the theory of time travel appearing in other episodes (such as "Assignment: Earth" and another whose name I forget) where it appears that whatever you do while back in time is what already happened anyway... -- /''`\ Andre Guirard ([]-[]) High Weasel \ x / speak no evil ihnp4!mmm!cipher `-'
MW9@PSUVM.BITNET (01/19/86)
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kalpin@utecfc.UUCP (Jordan E Kalpin) (01/24/86)
>Actually, I think area immediately surrounding the Guardian was >"protected" from time-travel-induced changes by a field of some sort. >It would make sense for the designers to have built this sort of thing >in, because otherwise the time portal would have been _very_ difficult >to use. Actually though, this is a little different from the theory of >time travel appearing in other episodes (such as "Assignment: Earth" >and another whose name I forget) where it appears that whatever you do >while back in time is what already happened anyway... Now don't get me wrong--COTEOF is my favourite ST episode, but how about the following flaw: When Spock makes the recording of Earth's past on his tricorder, think about which version he records...the one with McCoy saving Edith, right? So how can he have both versions to look at when he builds the computer on Earth? In other words, Spock only has _one_ version of Earth's past from the time after McCoy jumps through the Guardian. I don't think there is a satisfactory rationale for this problem. I guess we should just enjoy it. (By the way, in Tomorrow is Yesterday, why does Spock punch the guard instead of using the pinch?) Jordan Kalpin University of Toronto Mechanical Engineering kalpin@utecfc.UUCP ...He knows Doctor...He has reasoned it out...
ccrdave@ucdavis.UUCP (Lord Kahless @ Imperial Propoganda) (01/27/86)
> > (By the way, in Tomorrow is Yesterday, why does Spock punch the guard > instead of using the pinch?) > > kalpin@utecfc.UUCP Because he hadn't invented it yet. He invented the Nerve Pinch during The Enemy Within. {dual,lll-crg,ucbvax}!ucdavis!vega!ccrdave +-----------------------------------------------------------+ | "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. | | Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched | | C-Beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser Gate. All | | those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. | | Time to die." -- Roy Baty, Nexus6, N6MAA10816, Combat | +-----------------------------------------------------------+
gcc@ssc-vax.UUCP (Greg C Croasdill) (01/27/86)
> Now don't get me wrong--COTEOF is my favourite ST episode, but how about > the following flaw: > When Spock makes the recording of Earth's past on his tricorder, think > about which version he records...the one with McCoy saving Edith, right? > So how can he have both versions to look at when he builds the computer > on Earth? In other words, Spock only has _one_ version of Earth's past > from the time after McCoy jumps through the Guardian. > > I don't think there is a satisfactory rationale for this problem. > I guess we should just enjoy it. > > ... > > Jordan Kalpin > University of Toronto > Mechanical Engineering > kalpin@utecfc.UUCP > > ...He knows Doctor...He has reasoned it out... *** REPLACE THIS LINE WITH YOUR MESSAGE *** A quick note, The Guardian is recorded twice, once when they first encounter it (ie pre-McCoy intervention) and once to find out where the good doctor went (post McCoy intervention). Greg
mnw@trwrba.UUCP (Michael N. Washington) (01/27/86)
In article <60@utecfc.UUCP> kalpin@utecfc.UUCP (Jordan E Kalpin) writes: > >Now don't get me wrong--COTEOF is my favourite ST episode, but how about >the following flaw: >When Spock makes the recording of Earth's past on his tricorder, think >about which version he records...the one with McCoy saving Edith, right? >So how can he have both versions to look at when he builds the computer >on Earth? In other words, Spock only has _one_ version of Earth's past >from the time after McCoy jumps through the Guardian. > >I don't think there is a satisfactory rationale for this problem. >I guess we should just enjoy it. > >(By the way, in Tomorrow is Yesterday, why does Spock punch the guard >instead of using the pinch?) > > >Jordan Kalpin >University of Toronto >Mechanical Engineering >kalpin@utecfc.UUCP > >...He knows Doctor...He has reasoned it out... Probably, the Guardian has all of the possible twists of history stored. Spock and the Captain knew which fate Edith must have to set the record straight. However, your point is well taken. How would they have a copy of both events. I suspect that there would have been other ripples of time that could have become true. Remember, the bum gets phasered! Maybe he was the one to get back on his feet and contribute something significant to our history or one of his children. Hmmm, could drive you crazy. "Live Long and Prosper!" Michael N. Washington TRW E&DS Redondo Beach, Ca. 90278 {ucbvax,decvax,hplabs}!trwrb!trwrba!mnw
ins_akaa@jhunix.UUCP (Ken Arromdee) (01/29/86)
Something that has always bothered me about this episode: since the change in history was caused by Edith remaining around to form a pacifist movement leading to the loss of WWII, why didn't Kirk a) explain to Edith what would happen if she did so (showing her the necessary evidence such as the tricorder pictures) and ask her not to form the movement and/or b) take Edith with him into the future (it's probably against regulations, but so are a lot of things Kirk does). -- "We are going to give a little something, a few little years more, to socialism, because socialism is defunct. It dies all by iself. The bad thing is that socialism, being a victim of its... Did I say socialism?" -Fidel Castro Kenneth Arromdee BITNET: G46I4701 at JHUVM and INS_AKAA at JHUVMS CSNET: ins_akaa@jhunix.CSNET ARPA: ins_akaa%jhunix@hopkins.ARPA UUCP: ...allegra!hopkins!jhunix!ins_akaa
cc-30@cory.BERKELEY.EDU (Sean "Yoda" Rouse) (01/30/86)
In article <1631@jhunix.UUCP> ins_akaa@jhunix.ARPA (Ken Arromdee) writes: >Something that has always bothered me about this episode: since the change in >history was caused by Edith remaining around to form a pacifist movement leading >to the loss of WWII, why didn't Kirk a) explain to Edith what would happen if >she did so (showing her the necessary evidence such as the tricorder pictures) >and ask her not to form the movement and/or b) take Edith with him into the >future (it's probably against regulations, but so are a lot of things Kirk >does). I don't want to get into some theory about making minor changes in history, but Kirk couldn't explain to Edith what was going to happen because the original history had her DIE. Remember, the guardian said that they would be brought back once the mistake (McCoy preventing Edith from being hit by the car) was corrected. This prevents Kirk from bringing her to the future, and prevents him from keeoing her alive. -Sean "Yoda" Rouse =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ARPA: cc-30@cory.berkeley.edu.arpa UUCP: ucbvax!cory!cc-30 DISCLAIMER: The opinions here are those of the author's and not of the University of California. Sticks and stones may break my bones but flames will never hurt me. Say! That's the cover to the heating unit! Yup. Hey! You're not supposed to have that out, ***THAT'S DANGEROUS***! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
dobro@ulowell.UUCP (Chet Dobro) (02/25/86)
>>Did anybody ever wandered why when McCoy goes through the portal >>and Enterprise vanishes, the landing party intelf doesnt disapear? Perhaps the Guardian (am I remembering the name of the Arch correctly?) generates a local temporal-stability field.