elb@mtx5d.UUCP (Ellen Bart) (02/25/86)
I've been following the arguements (uh, um, discussions) about Kirk's eulogy of Spock and am wondering if anyone was bothered by another Human v.s. Vulcan comment that bothered me. In "Search for Spock", Sarek says (and I misquote) My logic is weak were my son is concerned. Now, to me, that is totally out of character for Sarek - especially since he doesn't have a human half to blame it on. Besides, what's so illogical about trying the one chance Spock has for survival? Comments? Suggestions? Ellen Bart
pritch@osu-eddie.UUCP (Norman Pritchett) (02/25/86)
In article <745@mtx5d.UUCP> elb@mtx5d.UUCP (Ellen Bart) writes: >I've been following the arguements (uh, um, discussions) about >Kirk's eulogy of Spock and am wondering if anyone was bothered >by another Human v.s. Vulcan comment that bothered me. > >In "Search for Spock", Sarek says (and I misquote) > > My logic is weak were my son is concerned. > >Now, to me, that is totally out of character for Sarek - especially >since he doesn't have a human half to blame it on. Besides, what's >so illogical about trying the one chance Spock has for survival? > >Comments? Suggestions? > >Ellen Bart Amanda was influenced by Vulcan culture. Surely, Sarek couldn't have tangled with Earth culture and come out unscathed :-) -- Norm Pritchett, The Ohio State University BITNET: TS1703 at OHSTVMA Bellnet: (614) 422-0885 UUCP: cbosgd!osu-eddie!pritch CSNET: pritch@ohio-state ARPANET: NPRITCHETT%osu-20@ohio-state (or) pritch@ohio-state
dr37@sphinx.UChicago.UUCP (Joanna Bryson) (02/26/86)
In article <745@mtx5d.UUCP> elb@mtx5d.UUCP (Ellen Bart) writes: >In "Search for Spock", Sarek says (and I misquote) > My logic is weak were my son is concerned. >Now, to me, that is totally out of character for Sarek ... Sarek must be something of a renegade, he married a human. In Amok Time Spock makes it sound like marriage is considered a necessary but virtually unmentionable evil, so making a marriage by choice at all let alone to a human must be pretty weird. I wonder if Spock's so defensive about his human half because he's rebelling against his father's expressiveness, like preppie kids of hippie parents? Joanna
rjnoe@riccb.UUCP (Roger J. Noe) (02/27/86)
> In "Search for Spock", Sarek says (and I misquote) > > My logic is weak were my son is concerned. > > Now, to me, that is totally out of character for Sarek - especially > since he doesn't have a human half to blame it on. Besides, what's > so illogical about trying the one chance Spock has for survival? > > Comments? Suggestions? > > Ellen Bart Yes, Sarek in ST3:TSFS was a real disappointment. I don't know if it's just that Mark Lenard forgot how to act or if Leonard Nimoy never learned how to direct a Vulcan character. -- "Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!" Roger Noe ihnp4!riccb!rjnoe
showard@udenva.UUCP (Mr. Blore) (02/27/86)
In article <745@mtx5d.UUCP> elb@mtx5d.UUCP (Ellen Bart) writes: >I've been following the arguements (uh, um, discussions) about >Kirk's eulogy of Spock and am wondering if anyone was bothered >by another Human v.s. Vulcan comment that bothered me. > >In "Search for Spock", Sarek says (and I misquote) > > My logic is weak were my son is concerned. > >Now, to me, that is totally out of character for Sarek - especially >since he doesn't have a human half to blame it on. Vulcan have emotions, they just don't show them. References: Amok Time, Journey to Babel, All Our Yesterdays, and the Lincoln episode, the name of which escapes me. "Spock, what happened?" "The occipital area of my head impacted with the chair" -- Mr. Blore, the DJ who would not die {hplabs, seismo}!hao!udenva!showard or {boulder, cires, ucbvax!nbires, cisden}!udenva!showard
prewitt@unm-la.UUCP (AIDE Mike Prewitt) (02/28/86)
In article <637@riccb.UUCP> rjnoe@riccb.UUCP (Roger J. Noe) writes: >> In "Search for Spock", Sarek says (and I misquote) >> >> My logic is weak were my son is concerned. >> >> Now, to me, that is totally out of character for Sarek - especially >> since he doesn't have a human half to blame it on. Besides, what's >> so illogical about trying the one chance Spock has for survival? >> >> Comments? Suggestions? >> >> Ellen Bart > >Yes, Sarek in ST3:TSFS was a real disappointment. I don't know if it's >just that Mark Lenard forgot how to act or if Leonard Nimoy never learned >how to direct a Vulcan character. >-- > Roger Noe ihnp4!riccb!rjnoe I disagree with Roger. Remember that Sarek was an ambasador to many world. This alone means that he has to understand and appreaciate (sp?) the emotion of humans and other species. If one were to use Logic in all diplomatic relation, one would find himself at war. Sarek must have learned this early on with his diplomatic career, and later with Spock. ( Journy to Bable ) Also remember that Sarek married an Earth woman. That would really give him some idea of the effect of emotions. I conclude that if Sarek wasn't corupted(sp?) by emotions, he knows much about them and that logic isn't an effective key against (sp?) emotion. In Spocks case it is also true. Sarek desided that Spock should go to the Vulcan Accadamy of Science, but Spock felt that it was better for him, Logically of course, that it was better for him to enter StarFleet because of his dual herratage. (sp?) Logically, this means that Sarek's logic is weak where his son is conserned by his past record. This of course is my oppinion, and like Ellen would like to here other oppinions and comments. Eather through e-mail or the net. Thanks for your time, Mike Prewitt University of New Mexico, Los Alamos Campus.
gt3191b@gt-oscar.UUCP (MCALLISTER) (03/03/86)
>I've been ... wondering... > Sarek -> > My logic is weak were my son is concerned. > >... since he doesn't have a human half to blame it on. Besides, what's >so illogical about trying the one chance Spock has for survival? > As far as I have ever understood it, there is nothing biological about the Vulcan brain that makes it so logical, it is simply a way of life (kind of like Zen, etc.) and the entire population subscribes to it. (at least as far as we humans are allowed to see! :-)(-: ) Therefore, it is possible for Sarek to "love" his son as he has learned (good or bad) from his "human" wife. He undoubtedly would be very unwilling to admit the presence of this emotion, but we were priveledged! Just a few (probably wildly different from your own) thoughts! { ================= } McAllister, Daniel Grear 1985 Football Basketball -------- ---------- Georgia Insitute of Technology, Tech 20 89 PO Box 33191 UGa 16 65 Atlanta Georgia, 30332 "Silence is Golden" WHAT? ME? GRADUATE? THEN What'll I do? ...!{akgua,allegra,amd,hplabs,ihnp4,seismo,ut-ngp}!gatech!gt-oscar!gt3191b
ayers@convex.UUCP (03/06/86)
>As far as I have ever understood it, there is nothing biological about >the Vulcan brain that makes it so logical, it is simply a way of life >(kind of like Zen, etc.) and the entire population subscribes to it. >(at least as far as we humans are allowed to see! :-)(-: ) This, in fact, is supported by Nimoy's opening scenes in STTMP (Movie #1) where he is finishing up the ordeal/ceremony that was supposed to "purge" his remaining emotions. The fact that an established ceremony existed showed that it wasn't just "half-breeds" that had that problem... <Logical, if unorthodox> blues, II