wanttaja@ssc-vax.UUCP (Ronald J Wanttaja) (01/09/86)
Finally got real curious about the STtWOK/Young Sherlock Holmes discussion about "Revenge is a dish best served cold," so I checked it out: From the _Concise_Oxford_Dictionary_of_Proverbs_: > REVENGE IS A DISH THAT CAN BE EATEN COLD > > 1885 C. Lowe _Prince_Bismarck_I_. "He had defended Olmutz, it is true, > but... with a secret resolution to 'eat the dish of his revenge cold > instead of hot.'" > 1975 O'FAOLAIN _Women_in_Wall_. "Revenge... is a meal that's as tasty > cold as hot. Tastier cold sometimes." > Anyway, it is apparent that the quote from the two movies has been around, in one form or another, during the periods depicted. I realize YSH was set earlier from 1885, but from the quote it is obvious that Lowe was using an existing proverb even then. So, the saying could have been used by a "Young Sherlock Holmes." As for it being a Klingon proverb, well... it could have been "parallel evolution," or they could have stolen it early in the days of Federation/Klingon contact. Or.... has anyone waded through _Moby_Dick_ lately? Half of Khan's lines were lifted from there. Maybe it was used in Melville? Ron (But I haven't finished studying my predators yet) Wanttaja (ssc-vax!wanttaja)
dobro@ulowell.UUCP (Chet Dobro) (02/25/86)
> >Or.... has anyone waded through _Moby_Dick_ lately? Half of Khan's lines >were lifted from there. Maybe it was used in Melville? > Remember, Khan had a copy of _Moby_Dick_. He could have deliberately taken quotes out of there. (as well as from _King_Lear_, and others...) BTW, where did those books come from? Stored on the Botany Bay? And one more question: where would Khan have HEARD an old *Klingon* proverb? Comments? Gryphon
pmm1920@ritcv.UUCP (02/27/86)
In article <218@ulowell.UUCP> dobro@ulowell.UUCP (Chet Dobro) writes: >BTW, where did those books come from? Stored on the Botany Bay? > Call me stupid, uniformed, dumb or whatever. Could someone Please tell me what "BTW" stands for? I have a general idea but can't quite figure it out. Thanks, Paul Mererhofer
tonti@ptsfc.UUCP (Guy Tonti) (02/28/86)
> Remember, Khan had a copy of _Moby_Dick_. He could have deliberately taken > quotes out of there. (as well as from _King_Lear_, and others...) > > BTW, where did those books come from? Stored on the Botany Bay? > > And one more question: where would Khan have HEARD an old *Klingon* proverb? > > Comments? > > > Gryphon When sent into "exile" by Kirk, an Historian (her name escapes me...) was also sent with Khan and the rest. She would seem to be a likely source for the literature, and possibly other things that Khan picked up. Guy Tonti
pmm1920@ritcv.UUCP (02/28/86)
In article <218@ulowell.UUCP> dobro@ulowell.UUCP (Chet Dobro) writes: > >BTW, where did those books come from? Stored on the Botany Bay? I think the only place to get the books would be on the Botony Bay. Also, remember that he did read a lot out of the ship's libraries before getting booted off the ship. > >And one more question: where would Khan have HEARD an old *Klingon* proverb? Again, maybe he read about the proverbs from the ships libraries. Also, how 'bout from his wife? (a poor guess but you never know) Paul Meyerhofer
daver@sci.UUCP (Dave Rickel) (03/04/86)
The hisorian was Martha McGivers. Khan's party may have been given some aids from the Enterprise to help in their colonization attempt. If not, it seems reasonable that, after taking over the Grissolm (sp?), Khan would read up on the Federation's opponents and their tactics. The proverb could have been mentioned in one of those sources. david rickel
marcum@sun.uucp (Alan Marcum) (03/04/86)
> If not, it seems reasonable that, after taking > over the Grissolm (sp?), Khan would read up on the Federation's opponents and > their tactics. > david rickel Um, folks, that's GRISSOM, as in Gus, as in the astronaut, as in the Apollo 1 fire. (Another interesting tribute is that there is a radio navigation aid in Indiana called Grissom VOR. VORs all have unique 3-letter identifiers; Grissom VOR's is G-U-S.) -- Alan M. Marcum Sun Microsystems, Technical Consulting ...!{dual,ihnp4}!sun!nescorna!marcum Mountain View, California
steve@bambi.UUCP (Steve Miller) (03/05/86)
> The hisorian was Martha McGivers.
Marlakendalla@orca.UUCP (Kendall Auel) (03/06/86)
In article <9398@ritcv.UUCP> pmm1920@ritcv.UUCP (PUT YOUR NAME HERE) writes: >Could someone Please tell me what "BTW" stands for? I have a general idea >but can't quite figure it out. "Bananas Taste Weird" (It is an old Klingon proverb) -- Kendall Auel ^ ^ <tektronix!orca!kendalla> /O O\ GWD Engineering | V | Tektronix, Inc. / """ \ (503) 685-3064 / """"" \ M.S. 61-028 /|\ /|\
ins_ajpo@jhunix.UUCP (Adric of Alzarius) (03/06/86)
> The hisorian was Martha McGivers. The historian was Marla McGivers. > Khan's party may have been given some aids from the Enterprise to help in > their colonization attempt. If not, it seems reasonable that, after taking > over the Grissolm (sp?), Khan would read up on the Federation's opponents and > their tactics. The proverb could have been mentioned in one of those sources. Khan took over the USS RELIANT. The GRISSOM (sp) was in ST III. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Me, not allowed??? I'm allowed everywhere!" -- The Doctor ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Joseph P. Ogulin UUCP: seismo!umcp-cs \ BITNET: INS_AJPO@JHUVMS ihnp4!whuxcc > !jhunix!ins_ajpo P99I1798@JHUVM allegra!hopkins / CSNET: ins_ajpo@jhunix.CSNET ARPA: ins_ajpo%jhunix.BITNET@wiscvm.WISC.EDU
hammen@puff.UUCP (Zaphod Beeblebrox) (03/06/86)
In article <3318@sun.uucp>, marcum@sun.uucp (Alan Marcum) types: > > If not, it seems reasonable that, after taking > > over the Grissolm (sp?), Khan would read up on the Federation's opponents and > > their tactics. > > david rickel > > Um, folks, that's GRISSOM, as in Gus, as in the astronaut, as in the In case no one remebers, Khan took over the Reliant, not the Grissom. Robert J. Hammen {seismo,ihnp4,allegra}!uwvax!puff!hammen U. of Wisc. CS Dept. !gumby!hammen U. of Wisc. Plasma Physics Dept. hammen@PUFF.WISC.EDU Manta Software Corp. hammen@GUMBY.WISC.EDU
avolio@decuac.UUCP (03/08/86)
> > > over the Grissolm (sp?), Khan would read up on the Federation's opponents and > > Um, folks, that's GRISSOM, as in Gus, as in the astronaut, as in the > In case no one remebers, Khan took over the Reliant, not the Grissom. Well, it's RELYANT, as in "Jake Relyant" the first person to get sick to his stomach during NASA training. He subsequently got canned from the program, not having the right stuff. He ran off with a Senator's wife -- Martha (note the spelling) Applerot. Okay, look, this was getting just so silly... -- Fred @ DEC Ultrix Applications Center UUCP: {decvax,seismo,cbosgd}!decuac!avolio INET: avolio@decuac.DEC.COM