TCP-IP@BRL (11/04/82)
TCP/IP Digest Monday, 1 Nov 1982 Volume 1 : Issue 24
Today's Topics:
SRI 2.8 BSD with TCP/IP for PDP-11s now being distributed.
Clarification about DTI TCP/IP product "ACCESS"
Courier: The Remote Procedure Call Protocol: In InterNet?
TCP-only throughput figures of ArpaNet
DCEC gateway up on SatNet!
Results of DCEC Gateway Test
Looking for DECNet between UNIX and VMS on VAXen.
Looking for TCP/IP for Bell UNIX System III
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Date: 13 Oct 1982 at 2322-PDT
From: Bill Croft <croft@Sri-Tsc>
Subject: distribution announcement
Distribution of 2.8 BSD with TCP/IP.
Our port of the 4.1a BSD VAX networking code to the PDP11/44 or /70 is now
essentially complete. We have been running the software on our SRI-PRMH
and SRI-WARF systems for about a month now with very good results. The
local net drivers tested and running at this time are: INTERLAN 10 megabit
ethernet, ACC LH-DH, and our locally built SRI1822. Converting an existing
VAX network device driver to run with the 11 requires editing just a few
lines. The DEC IMP11A driver has been converted but not yet tested.
I wish we had the time to make this distribution a really polished one, but
we don't. We make the assumption that you already have installed 2.8 BSD
on your machine, and understand kernel configuration and debugging. If you
brought up an early 2.8 distribution, I think you qualify.
To avoid licensing difficulties, we are restricting distribution to holders
of Berkeley UNIX licenses (x.x BSD). Within a few months we hope that the
PDP11 group at Berkeley can take over and incorporate this distribution
into their next 2.82 release. We are making this release available from
SRI due to the fast approaching ARPA TCP conversion deadline. The tape we
can send you contains the new kernel, user level network code, and other
necessary tools (such as "cpp" from the VAX that understands long
identifier names).
Here is a copy of the entry recently submitted to SRI-NIC, for the
"tcp-ip-status.txt" document:
5. SRI UNIX 11/44,11/70 V7 (2.8 BSD)
Date: 13 October 1982
From: Bill Croft <croft at sri-tsc>
This TCP was ported from the Berkeley VAX 4.1a version. IP, TCP, ICMP,
UDP, and RAW layers are all kernel resident. This means we can run
faster than older PDP11 TCPs that require auxiliary daemons (such as
BBN's V6 or 3COM's UNET). Typical TCP interprocess thruput between a VAX
750 running 4.1a BSD and the 11/44 running 2.8 BSD is 300000 baud;
this was measured with INTERLAN 10 megabit ethernet hardware.
For programmers, there is easy access to all layers of protocol, so
that (e.g.) IP or UDP services can be written. Service protocols
available are all of those supplied with the VAX version: FTP, TELNET,
ECHO, rlogin, rsh, rexec, talk, routing daemons.
1. Hardware - currently requires an I/D machine, such as an 11/44
or 11/70 with at least a half megabyte of memory. The total kernel
size (text, data, and buffers) is about 200K bytes; so it won't
fit if you have only 256K bytes. Although this sounds like a lot
of bytes, comparison with our older 2.8 BSD NCP-only system shows
that the kernel has only grown by about 60K bytes. This is very
reasonable considering that the entire network is now resident
versus the NCP case which used a hulking NCP daemon.
A number of net interfaces are supported. See the Berkeley VAX
documentation. The ones specifically ported to the 11 are:
INTERLAN 10 megabit ethernet, ACC LH/DH, SRI 1822, DEC IMP11A.
Porting a new VAX interface driver to the 11 involves changing
less than 10 lines of code.
2. Software - ported from the 4.1a Berkeley VAX UNIX system.
Manipulates I and D space mapping registers to reference more than
65K bytes of instructions and data at a time.
3. Documentation - supplied on tape as manual pages.
Contact for further information: Dan Chernikoff, dan@sri-tsc, (415) 859
4144. We can mail a copy of our distribution tape. Eventually the
software will be incorporated in Berkeley's next PDP11 distribution
(2.82 BSD). This tape is supplied as-is to 2.8 BSD licenses, with no
warrantees or support expressed or implied. The terms of your original
Berkeley license apply: the software cannot be resold or redistributed.
To get the software, send a magnetic tape and a copy of your 2.8 or 4.x
license to:
Dan Chernikoff
SRI International
333 Ravenswood Ave.
Menlo Park, CA 94025
As far as updates and bug fixes go, this mailing list (ucbtcp11@sri-tsc)
can be used as a distribution point. Send a note to dan@sri-tsc to
add or delete names from the list.
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1982 1703-CDT
From: grg at Dti (Gary Grossman)
Subject: TCP/IP for VAX/VMS
This is to clarify a misconception that might be fostered by the note
from Y. Pin Foo in TCP-IP Digest #1:23. Digital Technology Incorporated (DTI)
does indeed market software including TCP/IP under the name "ACCESS".
Our software is available for connection to the ARPANET via the ACC LH/DH-11.
It is also available in an Ethernet version using 3COM's Unibus Ethernet
interface.
The only 3COM software that we use is the device driver that is supplied
with the 3COM hardware. All other software, including IP, TCP, TELNET,
FTP, and MAIL, was produced at DTI.
The first copy of the software package costs $15K. Additional copies
to the same site cost $6K.
Gary Grossman
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Date: 18 Oct 1982 13:10:48-EST
From: Chris Kent <cak@Purdue>
Via: Brl; 18 Oct 82 15:20-EDT
Am in the process of reading this "Xerox System Integration Standard",
and was wondering if anyone had thought about implementing this on top
of IP and/or TCP... and what progress you've made.
Cheers,
chris
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Date: 7 Oct 1982 9:01:06 EDT (Thursday)
From: Andrew Malis <malis at BBN-UNIX>
Subject: TCP-only throughput figures
Mike,
Vint Cerf suggested that you may be interested in including the
following figures in some form in the TCP-IP digest. Basically,
they are a comparison of the number of packets going through the
net during the TCP-only test, as compared to the previous day
during the same time period. They show that during the test, the
network had about 47% of the number of packets flowing as it did
during the previous day at the same time.
You may want to include the figures as is, or you may want to
just present the totals. I'll leave that up to you.
Andy Malis
HOST THROUGHPUT SUMMARY, OCTOBER 1ST
Packets Received
Inter-node Intra-Node Total
>From Fri Oct 1 12:13:51 1982
To Fri Oct 1 13:02:44 1982
Net Totals: 338765 33679 372444
>From Fri Oct 1 13:02:46 1982
To Fri Oct 1 13:51:39 1982
Net Totals: 336164 82056 418220
>From Fri Oct 1 13:51:39 1982
To Fri Oct 1 14:40:32 1982
Net Totals: 446443 40376 486819
>From Fri Oct 1 14:40:34 1982
To Fri Oct 1 15:29:27 1982
Net Totals: 451627 66647 518274
>From Fri Oct 1 15:29:27 1982
To Fri Oct 1 16:00:00 1982
Net Totals: 399462 42043 441505
________________________________________
Net Totals: 1972461 264801 2237262
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HOST THROUGHPUT SUMMARY, SEPTEMBER 30TH
Packets Received
Inter-node Intra-Node Total
>From Thu Sep 30 12:17:18 1982
To Thu Sep 30 13:06:11 1982
Net Totals: 662445 74644 737089
>From Thu Sep 30 13:06:19 1982
To Thu Sep 30 13:55:12 1982
Net Totals: 671169 174553 845722
>From Thu Sep 30 13:55:14 1982
To Thu Sep 30 14:44:07 1982
Net Totals: 823234 156222 979456
>From Thu Sep 30 14:44:17 1982
To Thu Sep 30 15:33:10 1982
Net Totals: 905026 138187 1043213
>From Thu Sep 30 15:33:07 1982
To Thu Sep 30 16:00:00 1982
Net Totals: 987427 132308 1119735
________________________________________
Net Totals: 4049301 675914 4725215
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Date: 26 Oct 1982 18:55:33 EDT (Tuesday)
From: Michael Brescia <brescia@Bbn-Unix>
To: Cain at Edn-Unix, mcneill at Bbn-Unix, control at Bbn-Unix
Subject: DCEC gateway up on satnet
Redistributed-by: Bob Hinden <hinden@Bbn-Unix>
Redistributed-to: gateway-info at BBN-UNIX
Redistributed-date: 27 Oct 1982 8:49:50 EDT (Wednesday)
Gateway 15 DCEC 10.1.0.20 (Arpanet) Tue Oct 26 18:47:25 1982
Version 1002
Interfaces:
UP: DCEC 4.0.0.24 (Satnet) !!!!!!!!
UP: DCEC 10.1.0.20 (Arpanet)
UP: DCEC 21.0.0.2 (EDN)
Neighbors:
UP: NTARE 4.0.0.38 (Satnet) !!!!!!
UP: UCL 4.0.0.60 (Satnet) !!!!
...
gstatus terminated at Tue Oct 26 18:47:26 1982
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thanks to dale, peter, mike, mike, bill, cathy, &c, and WUI
The line from DCEC to ETAM has come up for real. DCEC gateway sees the
satnet, and also its satnet neighbors. That ought to create real fun for
the gateway routing.
We expect to watch this for a while to make sure it settles in for good.
Mike
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Date: 29 Oct 1982 11:18:37 EDT (Friday)
From: Bob Hinden <hinden@Bbn-Unix>
Subject: Results of DCEC Gateway Test
To: gateway-info at Bbn-Unix
Yesterdays test, which consisted of looping away the VDH line of the
BBN gateway, was very successfull. All the traffic which normally
used the BBN gateway as a route between Satnet and the Arpanet was
redirected to the DCEC gateway. I have included throughput data for
the period before and during the test, showing that the traffic
load switched to the DCEC gateway after the VDH line was looped.
[ Here is the correct throughput data for the DCEC gateway test.
The first message included the data for the period before the
test twice. -Bob Hinden ]
Throughput Summary from 0300 to 0900 EST 28 Oct 82
GWY GWY RCVD RCVD IP % IP DEST % DST
NO. NAME DGRAMS BYTES ERRORS ERRORS UNRCH UNRCH
2 BBN 77,702 3,328,454 0 0.00% 8 0.01%
15 DCEC 54,625 2,342,132 0 0.00% 13 0.02%
TOTALS 132,327 5,670,586 0 0.00% 21 0.02%
GWY GWY SENT SENT DROPPED % DROPPED
NO. NAME DGRAMS BYTES DGRAMS DGRAMS
2 BBN 82,797 3,417,237 0 0.00%
15 DCEC 53,983 2,222,390 0 0.00%
TOTALS 136,780 5,639,627 0 0.00%
Throughput Summary 0900 to 1500 EST 28 Oct 82
GWY GWY RCVD RCVD IP % IP DEST % DST
NO. NAME DGRAMS BYTES ERRORS ERRORS UNRCH UNRCH
2 BBN 43,025 1,265,324 1 0.00% 19 0.04%
15 DCEC 101,881 4,979,852 1 0.00% 154 0.15%
TOTALS 144,906 6,245,176 2 0.00% 173 0.12%
GWY GWY SENT SENT DROPPED % DROPPED
NO. NAME DGRAMS BYTES DGRAMS DGRAMS
2 BBN 49,409 1,402,482 0 0.00%
15 DCEC 102,607 4,873,176 4 0.00%
TOTALS 152,016 6,275,658 4 0.00%
We are now seeing evidence that having two gateways between the
Arpanet and Satnet is improving the quality of service for the Satnet
users. This in conjuction with some TCP fixes made to the TAC
software should result in more reliable service.
Bob
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Date: Wed, 06 Oct 82 15:46:52 CDT
From: estell at NWC-387B
Subject: VMS to UNIX software for DECNet
We are looking for a reliable and affordable software package that implements
a "DEC Net" interface between a UNIX host and a VMS host (both VAX computers).
The idea is that, if we must have UNIX as an ARPANET interface, we want to
be able to connect that host VAX to our other VAX computers, via DECNet.
Also, we have a VAX here at NWC that is running UNIX now; someday they may
want to join our NWCNet (LAN), via "DEC Net."
Do you know of such software?
If not, do you WANT to know about it? (i.e., If I go hunting, do you want
to be informed of my findings?)
Please reply to ESTELL at NWC-387B.
Thanks,
Bob
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Date: 15 Oct 82 13:42:29-EDT (Fri)
From: Rick <rturner.xls-onyx02@Udel-Relay>
To: tcp-ip at BRL
cc: unix-wizards at Sri-Unix
Subject: TCP/IP &/or NCP for 3.0 UNIX
We are running UNIX 3.0 on an 11/70 and we're trying to get it running on the
net. We are currently using the CSNET as a gateway to Arpanet, but want
to get our system(s) directly into it.
We are looking at various places to get a reasonable NCP (short-term) and
TCP/IP (longer) that we can port over to 3.0. Is there anyone else out
there in UNIX-land who is trying to get to NCP and/or TCP/IP under these
circumstances?
rick
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Date: 18 Oct 1982 23:28:47-EST
From: Chris Kent <cak@Purdue>
Reply-to: cak at Purdue
To: rturner.xls-onyx02 at Udel-Relay, tcp-ip at BRL
Subject: Re: TCP/IP &/or NCP for 3.0 UNIX
Seems like you could get the Greep NCP front end that runs on VAXen
to work. But I'm not sure it would be worth the effort for a little
over two months of access.
As for TCP, you might want to look at the work that Bill Croft has
just completed. Are you tied to a 3.0 kernel? If not, you can
just put his up (it's based on 2.8bsd). Otherwise, you have some
work to do, but his code should be a good guideline.
Cheers,
chris
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