3484ajr (04/12/83)
A quote from the Better Homes And Gardens Handyman's Book : "To gain power without tip jumping from slot, use longest screwdriver you can." My own experience in using two screwdrivers with identical handles and sockets with different shaft lengths supports this quotation. Why?
ix222 (04/13/83)
Re: longer screwdrivers work better I belive that the extra torque comes from the extra actual twistedness of the blade shaft of the longer screwdriver sorta like a heavy book hung from a string can help you break it. (remember?) try your test again, backing out an easy screw and applying the heave gradually. you should lose the advantage of the longer handle. ain't physics good to us? steve
smh (04/13/83)
As the force exerted increases, the tendency of your hand to move increases. Any such deviation parallel to the screw slot could be expected to reduce the mesh between driver and slot. Clearly, the angle of deviation for *small* hand motions (the ones of interest) is approximately linearly proportional to shaft length.
leichter (04/13/83)
You know, I never thought about it before - but I've known for years that you should use a long screwdriver when trying to drive a screw hard. Here's a simple theory: It's difficult - impossible, in fact - to avoid placing some sideways force on the screwdriver handle as you use it. This causes the screwdriver to rotate about its point of support, i.e. the point at which it touches the screw head. If it rotates too far, some side or the other of the blade will slip out of the slot in the head and the screwdriver will slip. Now, for the same lateral movement of the screwdriver handle, the induced movement of the head is smaller for a longer screwdriver (since the motion induced is a rotation, and the angle the screwdriver moves through is smaller when a fixed lateral movement occurs further from the point about which rotation takes place). -- Jerry decvax!yale-comix!leichter leichter@yale BTW: Psychologically, it FEELS as if you can actually turn harder when the handle is long. I think this is just a matter of automatic reactions trying to keep the screwdriver under control, and causing you to loosen up when it starts getting out of control. -- J
Schauble.HIS_Guest@MIT-MULTICS (04/14/83)
The screwdriver will jump out of the slot when the ANGLE it makes with the screw exceeds a critical value. Your hand has an uncertainty in positioning the handle of the screwdriver. The longer the shaft, the greater this uncertainty (in inches) can be before you exceed the critical angle. This allows you more freedom to move your hand about as you apply force. Paul
jonab (04/14/83)
Reply-To: jonab@sdcvax.uucp (Jonathan Biggar) Organization: System Development Corp. (A Burroughs Company) References: <houxq.360> <sdccsu3.498> My guess as to why a longer screwdriver will not jump out of the slot as easily is that the longer the shaft of the screwdriver, the less a lateral motion of the head will affect the angle that the tip makes with the slot. This has the effect of steadying the unsteady hand, and keeping the screwdriver more in line with the screw. Jon Biggar ...!decvax!trw-unix!sdcrdcf!jonab
gmark (04/16/83)
In reference to long-bladed screw-drivers, there are other points to consider. If the screw is very tight due to hard wood, a small pilot hole, etc., where the tightness is constant, a smoothing out of the torque applied by twisting of the blade may make it easier for the user to apply the force (grip, etc.). However, if the tightness is due to some seizing effect, such as wood sap, rust on a metal screw (especially in sheet metal, or against a washer), a better "breaker" effect would be derived from a shorter, more rigid blade delivering a greater instantaneous, moment of force, or impact effect (like an air hammer). I thought the first statement referred to the blade's slipping out of the slot. THEN the longer blade would not only maintain more constant pressure against the sides of the slot, but the longer blade would offer less mechanical advantage to the twisting effect of the hand of the user NOT in the desired rotational plane. In other words, your other hand (not on the handle, but the blade) would be better able to hold the blade in the slot. A good test would be to use a long-shafted socket driver that would not have any tendency to slip off the screw in the first place. WHEW! More bubble-gum for the mind.