[net.physics] Speeds of light

james@umcp-cs.UUCP (09/01/83)

I don't think it has been shown that there is only ONE speed
of light.  That is, the average speed of light (average of the
north-bound and south-bound speeds) CAN be measured, but the
speed of light in a single direction cannot be measured.

It is possible that the speed of light is not the same in every
direction, no one knows.

  --Jim

chongo@nsc.uucp (Curt Noll) (09/01/83)

i thought that Michaelson and Morley showed that the speed of light was
constant in any direction by rotating their mirror system on a pool of
Mercury and noting that there was no phase shift in the light.

chongo /\../\

kalash@ucbcad.UUCP (09/02/83)

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ucbcad!kalash    Sep  1 12:57:00 1983

	/***** ucbcad:net.physics / umcp-cs!james /  2:49 pm  Aug 31, 1983*/
	I don't think it has been shown that there is only ONE speed
	of light.  That is, the average speed of light (average of the
	north-bound and south-bound speeds) CAN be measured, but the
	speed of light in a single direction cannot be measured.

Greep? I thought one of the fundamental principles of relativity was that
the speed of light is a constant in any medium...

			Joe Kalash

james@umcp-cs.UUCP (09/04/83)

Below, M-M stands for Michelson-Morley.

Please allow me to clarify my statement in net.physics.  First of all,
I was using the terms north-bound and south-bound only because I felt
that they might more simply convey the idea of opposite directions
to a general audience.  Second, I was not referring to the M-M
experiment as it deals with aether.  What I was stating is the
possibility that the speed of light (in a vacuum) is not a constant
for all directions.  Because of the difficulty with the synchronization
of two clocks separated by a distance, it is possible only to measure
the time it takes for a light ray to travel in some loop.  Therefore,
the speed of light could be different in the positive-X-direction and the
negative-X-direction, as long as the average were the currently observed
single 'speed of light'.  What the M-M experiment tells us is that
the measured average speed of light in the X directions and the Y
directions are the same.

It may be possible to measure the speed of light in a SINGLE direction
by arranging to have the light ray travel in a circular orbit about
a large black hole (source of gravity sufficient to bend the ray),
or by having the ray travel in a 'great circle' in space (which could
possibly exist if space has the topology of a torus or some other
topology permitting similar tricks).

  --Jim O'Toole