[net.physics] A Totally Different, Really *Scientific*, creationaism

UNIX%Ames-VMSB@sri-unix.UUCP (12/09/83)

A theory due to Sarfatti:

In the far future, we, utilizing controlled quantum cross-correllations
and (more speculative) further techniques, cause tremendous, but tightly
controlled release of the zero-point energy of the vacuum at a far distant
spacelike interval (like about 15 billion years "ago") to create a universe
that is suitable for the evolution of intelligent life.

A theory due to me:

Quasars may be "protypes" or "tests" of this technique.

For background information on this, see the recent proceedings of the
second symposium on quantum gravity, especially Hawking's paper on the
inherent non-locality and a-causality of "everyday" physical phenomena.
Also see Wheeler's new book "Quantum Theory and Measurement" from princeton
university poress


(that's P. U. Press)

If you are truly interested in this, reply to me and I'll drop you the
number and password of a Bay Area tree-structured bulletin board that is
discussing this with sarfatti.

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crummer%AEROSPACE@sri-unix.UUCP (12/13/83)

From:            Charlie Crummer <crummer@AEROSPACE>


A theory due to Sarfatti: [This is not a theory; not even an hypothesis.
                           It is just a string of fuzzy clauses. If this
                           were physics then astrology would supercede it
                           in the realm of logic.]

In the far future, we, utilizing controlled quantum cross-correllations
   [There are some who believe that given enough time, "we" will be able to
    do ANYTHING we say we can. It takes a true believer of the undemonstrated
    to swallow this concept. What is a "controlled quantum
    cross-correlation"? In low temperature physics there is the concept of 
    Off-Diagonal Long-Range Order (ODLRO) in the multi-particle state matrix
    for liquid helium at a certain temperature. This is a SPATIAL
    correlation, however. As far as I have heard (I'll have to see Hawking's
    paper.) there have been no violations of "Bogoliubov causality" (a
    mathematical formulation that formalizes the statement that events
    separated by a space-like interval cannot affect one another) I know that
    "The Dancing Wu-Li Masters" refers to "superluminal transfer of
    information" (Sarfatti again and a fuzzy off-the-cuff concoction of Bell's
    Theorem, the results of the performance of the Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen
    experiment, and the Feynman elementary physics books) but this is still
    not physics. Sounds like pretty good Sci-Fi though. By what interaction
    would these QCC's be "controlled"? "Some day we'll figure it out." isn't
    really an appropriate response.]
and (more speculative) further techniques, cause tremendous, but tightly
   ["More speculative techniques": What are these? Let's examine them in the
    light of physics and logic.]
controlled release of the zero-point energy of the vacuum at a far distant
   ["Controlled" (that word again!) The zero-point energy of the vacuum is an
    artifact of the Lagrangian chosen and disappears like a Chimera under the
    process of renormalization and regularization. It is analogous to the 
    energy in the oceans which is unavaliable because there is nothing freely
    avaliable around at a lower temperature to serve as a sink. (It takes
    work to refrigerate things and that generates heat somewhere.)]
spacelike interval (like about 15 billion years "ago") to create a universe
   [Here's the far distant spacelike interval again. There is no evidence or
    logical reason to believe that an event here-now can cause or even affect
    an event there-then (or even here-then).]
that is suitable for the evolution of intelligent life.
   ["Suitable for the evolution of intelligent life": What does this mean? It
    has to be elaborated in order to be of use.]

A theory due to me:

Quasars may be "protypes" or "tests" of this technique.
   [If you believe Sarfatti's Sci-Fi they could be.]

For background information on this, see the recent proceedings of the
second symposium on quantum gravity, especially Hawking's paper on the
inherent non-locality and a-causality of "everyday" physical phenomena.
Also see Wheeler's new book "Quantum Theory and Measurement" from princeton
university poress


(that's P. U. Press)

If you are truly interested in this, reply to me and I'll drop you the
number and password of a Bay Area tree-structured bulletin board that is
discussing this with sarfatti.
  [If Hawking, Wheeler, Feynman, or other serious physicists contribute to
   this bulletin board, I am interested. Otherwise, I'll just stick to Star
   Trek reruns.]
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[Thanks, I needed that.]

  --Charlie